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#106454 - 04/11/05 04:57 PM Ding-Dong Receptacle  
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These photos are from an inspection 2 days ago. I could not believe my eyes. They include a receptacle tied into the Service lateral in a CT cabinet (3/0) wire ahead of the main, and you will notice the conductors are wrapped around the lock hasp of the cabinet for the "ground/ neutral connection. The real mess is this is "bell wire - 18 gauge.


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#106455 - 04/11/05 07:31 PM Re: Ding-Dong Receptacle  
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Well, at least the PoCo can be assured that they couldn't have been stealing TOO much power through that setup....


#106456 - 04/11/05 08:20 PM Re: Ding-Dong Receptacle  
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One couldn't even make that crap up. Unreal!!


#106457 - 04/11/05 08:33 PM Re: Ding-Dong Receptacle  
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#106458 - 04/12/05 10:42 PM Re: Ding-Dong Receptacle  
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There is an old sarcaastic saying " God looks out for fools and idiots"
When I see junk like this I believe it more and more.
The bad part is that so many get away with stuff like this and that make too many joe fly by nites lowball the rest of us who work to code.


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#106459 - 04/14/05 08:40 AM Re: Ding-Dong Receptacle  
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I don't see a problem. The 18 gauge wire is the fusible link. [Linked Image] yikes!!

We owned a rental house some years ago. We later discovered the last batch of tenants had added some outlets. Yes, you guessed it. All 'new' circuits were wired with 18 gauge doorbell wire.

How come you never find anyone that accidentially goofed up and ran 1/0 on a 15 amp laundry circuit. Oh right. There's that price thingy....

I've heard that the NFPA is relaxing their bonding/grounding techniques and requirements...but I think that's gone a bit too far. [Linked Image]

RSlater,
RSmike


#106460 - 04/14/05 01:27 PM Re: Ding-Dong Receptacle  
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Anyone else notice that the 12(?) guage leads coming off that recept are connected white hot, black nut?

Fusible link, good one, RSmike! [Linked Image]

I'm also surprised that the lock hasp provided an adequate path for neutral/ground. No signs of arcing that I can see.


Stupid should be painful.

#106461 - 04/14/05 03:14 PM Re: Ding-Dong Receptacle  
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That nice piece of cardboard in the first pic. helps to eliminate those nasty arc-fault-to-ground events. [Linked Image]

What is the AIC rating of doorbell wire, anyway...? [Linked Image]

"fusible link..." - thats a zinger! [Linked Image]

Mike (mamills)

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#106462 - 04/17/05 06:54 AM Re: Ding-Dong Receptacle  
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Wow Pierre!,
That's a beauty you've found there. [Linked Image]
Mike(mamills),
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That nice piece of cardboard in the first pic. helps to eliminate those nasty arc-fault-to-ground events.

Yes I agree, a nice cheap bushing against those nasty sharp panel edges.
BTW Pierre,
What was underneath that red and yellow tape conglomeration, in the top pic?.


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