Are those listed nail plates

Are blank box covers listed for use as nailplates?

While I certainly cant see ANY conceivable hazard from their use, all it would take is one AHJ who wants to abandon common sense and insist on a listing.....

300.4(A)(1) does not require a listed plate. The code only requires that the plater be made of steel that is at least 1/16" thick. A blank cover meets this rule.
Don

Wiring looks good but that is rediculous.

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Never had any trouble with the "rockers" but I have seen some tapers that should have been shot. Put in a couple of recpts for the trades to use in a house once and the tapers proceeded to fill all of them with mud,while they were HOT!

D**M ! Are these rockers using 8 penny sheetrock nails???? Do you spend more on 4 sq. blank covers than you do on devices?

spkjpr,

I think I know those tapers.

I've had the same thing happen a few times. If you're charging the GC extra for putting in "temporary" power/receptacles for the guys it doesn't seem to bother you as much.

Sparky,

If you don't leave those guys some wood to hit they might start using a Hilti.

Bill

This might explain those tapers:

this is a stressskin post & beam house, there are few 'open' walls to capatalize on, so the stairwell assumed the brunt of 1st to 2nd flr wiring.

the very same rockers screwed me on the last job, there's really no talking to those semi-bipedal knuclkedraggers yaknow

I'll admit it rediuclous, but what's a few boxes of 4 sq covers?

It was worth the GC getting the point........

I suppose that if this lot fails, the next project gets solid lumps of 1/4" steel armor plating over the cables!

Now just tell the "knuckledgraggers" that all those plates are energized. Maybe that keep 'em away!

Grab an air powered nibbler and start chopping some sheet metal to cover these things

Picture with non-metallic box on floor plate;

see 334.30(A) FPN
see 314.17(C).

Other pictures, is it possible that holes were drilled through the stair stringers and the 1900 cover plates are just wood stiffiners?

The boxes secure the cable Glenn, and i usually take advantage of the 12" offered.
(note pix#1 you can see internal clamps)

note the stacker usage on the single box mentioned in #2 & #5

I believe viking? lists for 2 'flat' cables under a staple, but the gist here is to get the wire away from the wood

I also use a about a dz bags of stackers per residence, all 2x4 walls get 'em.
The 1900's are actually cover wires 1 1/4" in due to them, yet if they want a banister, they're gonna have to use the hilti to get 'em.

You see, i don't have the advantage of an inspector for single fam dwellings here to berate the rockers.

One job, i placed a sign over the (in wall) panel "1000 VOLTS LIVE!" , one of the SR crew (sitting in his truck trying to hide the joint he was smokin' btw) said...

"Hey, you gonna shut that panel down so's we can rock it"

to which i replied
"Sorry, it's running the water pump for the mudders"

So you see, I do what i gotta do to survive here as an EC......

The box on the floor plate is a single gang box.

See the Exception to 314.17(C) "- - - fastened within 8 inches of the box measured along the sheath - - -"

Glenn,

The way I read the sections you are citing, if a non metallic box has built in clamps, I fasten within 12" down the sheath, but, if the non metallic box does not have built in clamps (or some other cable clamping means), then I fasten within 8" down the sheath.

Al

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It has been a long time since I've seen single gang nonmetallic boxes with clamps used on the sites. Not saying there isn't any, but just economics I guess.

Glenn,

Thanks for raising the point about 314.17(C). This got me to look up the catalog for the box that, to my eye, is shown in Sparky's photo's above. I believe he shows [b][i]Pass & Seymour Slater boxes[/i][/b]

I've been using this line of boxes myself for a few years. Their marketing of the boxes for the built in "Auto/Clamp®" feature sold me on them (along with other features). The single gang wall cases have the feature, but I note in the catalog page linked above, that P&S calls these "Quick?Entry®".

The single gang "Quick/Entry" has behaved like a clamp for me but I see that it is not manufactured as such by P&S.

I learned (yet another) something today.

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I like the "Quick-Click" feature.
An idea whose time has come.

i see over in the states you run your cables horizontaly in stud walls, we over here try to keep the the cables running verticaly..

also we have no requirement for protection of cables passing thru drilled timber only when the timber is knotched (is that spelt right)?

never mind ...excuse me !!!

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Johnd24,



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I like the Slater boxes too.

Johnd24,just curious,whats not neat about Sparky's work besides the unusual armor job?

Russell

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johnd24, please tell me you are not an inspector. If you are please tell me you will stay in Ohio.

yes Al, it is a P&S box w/internal clamps, they have the most volume per 1G i can find on the market.

johnd24,
'neat workmanship' is such a grey area, the single gang in question violates a bona fide code, it is visual, cite it and be the thread king!

~S

I see a hint in in order.....

the 1G box is in violation of the very code that sells (and is written on the package) of the stacker beside it....

btw~ this is post & beam construction

Sparky are you saying that by the time the wires enter the box,they are too close to the edge of the stud?

ding>ding>ding we have a winner!
yes ga.sparky56 !

(this calls for a copy/paste)

I,m afraid to ask what the prize is.

As a guy who doesn't do houses, isn't this a problem(1.25 in clearances) on any interior wall where a box is installed?? like between 2 bedrooms or wherever a stud wall is used a partition. If the box is 3 inches deep on a 3.5 wall?????

hit the nail on the head guys !

somebody post a redtag, i gotta nuther 1900 plate to install there.....

O K, just for the sake of arguement. The box is not installed parallel to a framing menber, it is installed on a spacer. It is not in an area likely to be penetrated by nails or screws. There would be no reason for someone to be fastening sheathing in that ares. The 2 x 4 spacer moves the wire away from the edge of the framing member.
I think it can be argued that it passes.

I can just hear myself muttering in the backround wondering where all my profits have gone!