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Cold Air Returns #95429
09/13/05 08:36 AM
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George Little  Offline OP
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When installing NM cable in a dwelling unit, do the inspectors require metal wiring methods in CA returns?


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Re: Cold Air Returns #95430
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See 300.21(C)

Exception: This section shall not apply to the joist or stud spaces of dwelling units where the wiring passes through such spaces perpendicular to the long dimension of such
spaces.


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Re: Cold Air Returns #95431
09/13/05 12:00 PM
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Joe- the issue that seems to have come up is the wording "passing through" versus "terminating in" the CA. If it passes through the CA perpendicular to the long dimension I don't see a problem but when you start installing boxes it's debatable. I'm curious how this forum feels about it.


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Re: Cold Air Returns #95432
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I think the code prohibits it. I also think that it is a silly prohibition. The IRC allows anything, other than gas piping, to be installed in a plenum. For example, I could run a 4" ABS lengthwise through a plenum, and that wouldn't matter. I can't do this with 14-2 NM cable, however. [Linked Image]


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Re: Cold Air Returns #95433
09/13/05 01:07 PM
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The "passing through" language is meaningful.
When you install a box in a return plenum, the box becomes a return air register. It is just like the dumb idea of PCs "breathing" through the diskette drive.
They end up packed with dirt.
In a dwelling that dirt could be combustible.

BTW a Florida guy would ask why you are "returning" cold air? That is the supply side. [Linked Image]


Greg Fretwell
Re: Cold Air Returns #95434
09/13/05 06:57 PM
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gfretwell,

What about the "hot" water heater?

Re: Cold Air Returns #95435
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We keep it outside.


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Re: Cold Air Returns #95436
09/14/05 06:48 AM
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Why does hot water need to be heated, anyway?

Re: Cold Air Returns #95437
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George Little  Offline OP
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Hot water needs to be heated for cleaning dishes as in a restaurant. They are called booster heaters and are used to increase the temperature to a higher level to meet health department requirements,

How did we migrate to this from derating NM cable?


George Little
Re: Cold Air Returns #95438
09/14/05 10:16 AM
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As luck would have it, there is a new pic in the Photo forum that illustrates this issue.

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