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#94348 - 07/29/05 04:59 PM gfci rec. in kitchens  
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I had a discussion with a another electrician about installing gfi rec with regular rec.installed downstream.He said this was no longer acceptable,that each outlet must now have a gfi rec. installed.Have anyone else heard or seen this change?It was an office with a kitchen.


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#94349 - 07/29/05 07:04 PM Re: gfci rec. in kitchens  
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There's a lot of mis-information out there about what "the code says." Some really distorted, or mis-understood stuff out there. I do think it's safe to say, in this case, that the "other guy" neither owns a copy of the NEC, nor went through a formal apprenticeship program.

The answer is: new kitchen (small appliance) circuits must be GFCI protected. A new kitchen needs at least two circuits. A GFCI receptacle may protect an unlimited number of receptacles "downstream" from it. Or, a GFI breaker may be used in the panel.

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#94350 - 07/29/05 09:14 PM Re: gfci rec. in kitchens  
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Is the moon pulling out of phase again?

Any way, Down-stream from a GFI device is still ok. I think the only recent changes are that it also applies to Commercial kitchen general use recepticals too. 210.8(B),(2)


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#94351 - 07/29/05 10:56 PM Re: gfci rec. in kitchens  
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Might as well jump in so you can HOLLAR at me too. When we are talking kitchens, it's only the receptacles serving the kitchen counter tops in residential that require GFCI protection but it's all the 15 and 20a / 125v. receptacles in the other than residential kitchens that need GFCI protection. (210.8(A)(6) and (B)(3)


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#94352 - 07/30/05 05:48 AM Re: gfci rec. in kitchens  
iwire  Offline
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Folks, lets keep on track here. [Linked Image]

I do not like having to delete posts. [Linked Image]

jmcelectric, what you where told is not true, at least from the NEC.

That said I work on a lot of jobs where the job specifications demand a GFCI receptacle at each location required to be GFCI protected. That is a design decision made by the engineer and if your company accepted the job with those conditions it is in fact a 'requirement'.

It would not surprise me at all that a kitchen in an office building would have GFCI receptacles specified at each location for convenience and to help prevent nuisance tripping.

Bob



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#94353 - 07/30/05 07:12 AM Re: gfci rec. in kitchens  
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I'll try this with a little more compassion this time. Well sir what I would like to suggest would be perusing the code book and looking through the NEC requirements for GFCI protection of receptacles. A nice reffresher course on the subject seems to be in order. Perfect time for you and your friend to sip a nice Iced Tea. [Linked Image]


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#94354 - 07/30/05 08:12 AM Re: gfci rec. in kitchens  
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LOL.


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#94355 - 07/30/05 10:56 AM Re: gfci rec. in kitchens  
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A kinder, gentler forum! [Linked Image]


#94356 - 07/30/05 12:49 PM Re: gfci rec. in kitchens  
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Hey George, Just so you don't feel left out.
What about The receptacles not serving counter top, but are within 6' of faucet?
Just having fun. The situation above in rather unusual.


#94357 - 07/30/05 01:00 PM Re: gfci rec. in kitchens  
George Little  Offline
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I feel much better now dlhoule. And, I don't care about the 6' thingee. That went bye bye for kitchens in the '99 I think.


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