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RF filter grounding #92234
03/08/05 10:25 PM
03/08/05 10:25 PM
Ted Quimby  Offline OP
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I'm wiring a new MRI room at a local hospital.A company was hired to provide a steel shield around the entire room.No part of this shield is permitted to be grounded.They install several RF filters and all of the electrical in the room is required to be fed through these.There are only two wires coming out of each filter.They told me to provide a non-metallic fitting on each filter to begin my work inside the room to isolate the conduit from the shield.They installed a 1/2" threaded rod through the shield and told me to attach a ground bus to it.This seems very wrong to me.Has anyone ever seen an installation like this?

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Re: RF filter grounding #92235
03/09/05 02:16 PM
03/09/05 02:16 PM
hbiss  Offline
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Hawthorne, NY USA
Sounds like a Faraday shield to me and all I have ever heard of are grounded somewhere. Could it be that they just don't want any connection to the conduits?

Do I understand correctly that the threaded rod is connected to the shield (or is it an insulated feed through)?


[This message has been edited by hbiss (edited 03-09-2005).]

Re: RF filter grounding #92236
03/09/05 04:30 PM
03/09/05 04:30 PM
winnie  Offline
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 649
boston, ma
I am not familiar with this situation, so consider the possibility that my lips are just flapping in the wind. I have played with large magnets in the past, and currently work with electric motors at the design stage.

However I do know that a Faraday cage is used to shield from electromagnetic and electrostatic disturbances, and works by being electrically conductive. Faraday cages are often made of copper mesh screen, for example. What a Faraday cage will not shield is from a DC magnetic field, nor from a low frequency changing magnetic field. What is being described here is not a classic Faraday cage.

There is essentially no such thing as a magnetic insulator. There are 'diamagnetic' materials, but their ability to repel a magnetic field is pretty darn small, with the exception of superconducting materials, and these are a rather special case...superconductors resist any _change_ in the magnetic field going through them, so if you take a material and cool it down until it is a superconductor, you will 'freeze in place' any magnetic field threading through it. So when you want to shield a big magnet, the thing to do is to surround it with a magnetic _conductor_, to essentially 'short circuit' any stray magnetic flux. The description of a _steel_ shield around the room sounds quite a bit like this sort of _magnetic_ shielding.

I can understand why the company would want to strictly enforce _single_ point grounding inside this environment. Any loops of conductive material would be subject to induced voltages whenever the magnetic field changed...and if the magnet were to 'quench' then the voltages could be quite high. The magnets used for NMR imaging are in the 1 tesla range with a quite large bore area; this means that the fringe fields will be significant. (Read: grab tools out of your hand and pull them across the room, cause you to see stars if the field collapses, cause aluminium plates to fall slowly if they have to cut across field lines, etc.)

I cannot understand why they would want _no_ grounding at all; but preventing unintentional grounding strikes be as a rather good idea.

But the thing that strikes me as most wrong in this situation is apparently sending an electrician in without a very explicit design, specifying every detail of the materials to be used, the wiring layout, etc. You are the electrician, not the design engineer, and an installation that meets the requirements of the NEC is very likely not going to be sufficient here. Just what sort of conduit will you use? NEC is happy with steel conduit, but I wouldn't want it in this situation. My guess is that it is important to avoid any sort of loop area in your equipment grounding conductor system (including, for example, appliance cords plugged into receptacles at different locations, if the appliances might touch. I'm sure that there are at least 100 non standard requirements for a proper installation in this space, above and beyond the NEC requirements for patient care areas; in fact I bet some of the requirements for this space are at odds with ordinary NEC requirements (eg redundant grounding paths).

Just my two cents.


(Side note on quenching: The magnetic field in these machines is produced by a superconducting electromagnet, something which has some very interesting stability issues. Superconductors have a characteristic of zero resistance as long as their limits are respected. If the material gets too warm, it will cease to superconduct. If you try to push too much current through a superconductor, it will suddenly cease to superconduct. If you expose a superconductor to too much magnetic flux, it will cease to superconduct. What this means is that when you build a superconducting magnet, there are a number of factors which could cause a portion of the coil to simply _stop_ being a superconductor. Suddenly you will see significant resistive heating in that portion of the coil, which of course causes more of the coil to stop superconducting. The magnetic field will very quickly collapse, with all of the energy stored in that field going to heating up your coil (and any surrounding closed conductive loops). If you are lucky, when the magnet quenches all you will end up doing is boiling a bunch of _expensive_ liquid Helium. If you are not lucky, you will have significant hardware damage. I read one internet report of a 'ball lightning' being formed when a large superconducting magnet was physically damaged....)

Re: RF filter grounding #92237
03/11/05 02:33 PM
03/11/05 02:33 PM
Alan Nadon  Offline
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 399
Elkhart, IN. USA
I have inspected two of these installations in my jurisdiction. NEC 517.13 requires a metal raceway for conductors. For wiring in the MRI room to the lights and receptacle, Hospital grade type AC cable with an aluminum jacket or aluminum conduit will work and comply with the code. There are also cast aluminum device boxes. Ferrous / iron is prohibited because of the magnetic field. PVC is prohibited because it is a health care facility. The wiring to the MRI machine itself is usually in the floor and is a feeder NOT a branch circuit so it doe NOT have to be in a metal raceway. The filter MUST have an enclosure supplied or fabricated to be able to attach the metal raceways and cover the wire terminations. I have had the MRI "experts" try to say that Article 517 doesn't apply because the equipment is "special" . They wanted no enclosure around the patient exam room side of the filter and the wiring method they wanted was PVC. Check with your local electrical inspector, if they have one. Alan

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