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#88844 08/04/04 12:13 AM
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OK, maybe I'm missing something here but why would you want a breaker in the outlet box? 30A should be a dedicated circuit with protection at the panel, right?

BTW, I got my 50A in-use at the orange store for less than 20 bucks. I never heard of the company but it seems well built.
Has anyone else noticed that HD seems to be carrying a lot more "unusual" brands and less recognizable stuff lately?

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#88845 08/04/04 04:03 AM
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Big Jim...section 551.77(B) requires a disconnect switch or circuit breaker in the site supply equipment for disconnecting the power to the RV. I don't want the homeowner pluging his camper in while loads in the camper are on.

I don't trade with the big orange house (home crapo)...they have hurt all the trades with there low priced items that are available to home owners.I'm so sick of my customers saying I saw it at the home crapo for $$...how come you charged me this much $$ for this part :<(


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Short, just point out to your customer that steak is a lot cheaper down at the Piggly Wiggly than it is in a resturant too.
They are paying for service, as are you when you pay more at the supply house.
The customer would really be griping if they had to pay for you to walk around the BORG looking for a warm body who can help you find the things you need ... to "save" a buck.
I am with you on this. For some reason we, as a country, have abandoned the idea of paying for service (searching only for the best price), then we bitch because we don't get good service.


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Duplicate

[This message has been edited by Big Jim (edited 08-05-2004).]

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I'll have to educate myself a little better on that. I had assumed the plug was a listed disconnecting means and only an in-use cover was required

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I think Home Depot has just about run it's course. They will be big for a while but more and more people are starting to want better quality products. Lowes and Eagle, although similar, seem to be getting into slightly higher quality items. I tend to use them because they are so handy but I sure don't forget where the distributors are. As soon as you step one inch away from pure commodity stuff, you need a real supplier.

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Do I have a misprinted CD-ROM?

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Article 551 has no requirement for GFCI protected receptacles, including the 15 and 20 ampere sizes.

What about the last sentence of 551.71?

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All 125-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-ampere receptacles shall have listed ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.


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I just wanted to add that any RV site requires a 20 amp 125volt GFI receptical in addition to the 30 or 50 amp outlet. 551.71
and as previously stated, a disconnect is required.
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I agree that a disconnect switch is required for an RV outlet in an RV park but not for a single one at a private residence. In a park, the overcurrent protection may be a substantial distance from the outlet so that requirement makes sense. Most decently wired parks I've seen have a pedestal with a 20, 30, and 50A recepticle all protected by their own breakers.

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Buck... I interpet that the requirement of 551.71 that RV site electrical supply have a 125-volt 20-amp plug addresses a RV site only and a 30-amp 125-volt outlet installed at a single family dwelling for RV power does not require the 20 amp receptacle.

Article 551 part VII Recreational Vechicle Parks

I will make sure that the homeowner does have a 125-volt GFCI protected receptacle nearby for their safety.

Maybe the NFPA needs to address installations such as this one in the 2008 code.

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