ECN Forum Forums Code Related Discussion NEC & other Code issues Industrial Electrican

Larry - welcome to ECN!

If you get too much flak, you could "accidentally" mention the claimed "exemption" to your employer's insurance carrier, or the AHJ.

Of course, after that, it might be your "former" employer, so a little discretion might be called for

Good luck with your situation.

OK,according to the state of Texas, I do not need a license. But does this mean the N.E.C. does not apply

2002 NEC
90.2 Scope. (A) Covered. This code covers the installation of electric conductors, electric equiptment, signaling and communications conductors and equiptment, and fiber optic cables and raceways for the following:

(1) Public and private premises, including buildings, structures, mobile homes, recreational vehicles, and floating buildings.
(2) Yards, lots, parking lots, carnivals, and industrial substations

(FPN: For additional information concerning such installations in an industrial or multibuilding complex, see the ANSI C2-1997, National Electrical Safety Code

(3) Installation of conductors and equiptment that connect to the supply of electricity.
(4) Installations used by the electric utility, such as office buildings, warehouses, garages, machine shops, and recreational buildings, that are not an integral part of a generating plant, substation, or control center


Not Covered This code does not cover the following:

(1) Installations in ships, watercraft other than floating buildings, railway rolling stock, aircraft, or automotive vehicles other than mobile homes and recreational vehicles.
(2) Installations under ground in mines and self-propelled mobile surface mining machinery and its attendant electrical trailing cable.
(3) Installation of railways for generation, transfomation, transmission, or distribution of power used exculsively for operation of rolling stock or installations used exclusively for signaling and communicative purposes.
(4) Installation of communications equiptment under the exclusive control of communication utilitieslocated outdoors or in a building space used exclusively for such installations.
(5) Installations under the exclusive control of an electric utility where such installaions
a. Consist or service drops or service laterals, and associated metering, or
b. Are located in legally established easements, rights-of-way, or by other agreements either designated by or recognized by public service commisions, or other regulatory agencies having jurisdiction for such installations, or
c. Are on property owned or leased by the electric utility for the purpose of communications, metering, generation, control, transformation, transmission, or distribution of electrical energy.


Larry, from what you've described... The establishement you speak of seems to fall under 90.2(A)(1).... I would say yes....But JMHO

-Randy

I think we're looking at the matter of scope.
In an industrial setting, the point where the electrical circuit ends and the appliance begins isn't always so easy to define- especially when several machines are interconnected.
There are other authorities to look to. OSHA has jurisdiction, assuming the firm is "large enough to affect interstate commerce."
Much industrial equipment is custom-made for a particular process. The equipment manufacturer has a very large say in what should be, and often the info is available on the web.
Even where there are "exempt" areas (utilities and mines, for example), there are other standards that can be referenced. Often present management with copies of the appropriate standard will be enough to make them see the light.