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Bill,

Do you have a photo you can post of an appliance garage? I searched through all of my electrical magazines and cannot find. I'm certain I did see one this year somewhere. You know how it is, the one thing you need can't always be found easily.

Thanks,
Frank

[This message has been edited by Frank Cinker (edited 02-23-2002).]

Frank

Here you go;



I think there may be a picture in the IAEI 2002 Illustrated Changes Book if you have that.

Bill

Perfect. Thanks Bill.

Although the appliance garage outlets are not "counted" as the required countertop outlets. I would argue that ground fault protection is required for them.

Otherwise one could put in extra outlets to serve a countertop and not ground fault protect those "extra" outlets because they need not be "counted."

George,

Good point. However, an appliance garage is an appliance garage thus serving those particular appliances in the given garage. Once again GFCI protection is a great idea and probably the right thing to do, but is it required by Code?

Electricmanscott,
Good points regarding the other appliances. After all, I think the whole reason that "countertop" recptacles are GFCI protected is due to the tendency of small appliances such as toasters, coffee makers blenders, hand mixers, etc. have no ground. The ones you mention, including the micro. are grounded, so I probably didn't need it.

If you put the receptacle in the cabinet like many of us do it is not required on a duplex or single. Receptacles in the cabinet are not intended to serve "the countertop surfaces".

Wow this could go on forever. Put ten people in a room with a code rule and you will get ten different interpretations. I guess that always keeps us interested!

[This message has been edited by Electricmanscott (edited 02-24-2002).]

Another thought. When you pull those appliances out to use them on the counter top the outlet is now serving the countertop. And also when they are in the appliance garage they are sitiing on the counter top right?

Frank:
If that is a dedicated circuit for the micro-wave it should not have to be GFCI protected, and if it is a single contact device.
From your post it doesnt sound if it is going to be moved often or unplugged.
My understanding of GFCIs for countertops is because of portable appliances and the majority are two wire receptacles, ergo the gfci requirement.
It would seem to be a real pain to make that single receptacle gfci especially if it trips then the micro-wave must be removed just to rest it.
In my area we are not requierd to make a receptacle of that nature gfci because of this inconvenience.
Mark.