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Aluminum Wire For Landscape Lighting #73090
12/16/06 03:45 PM
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wendel  Offline OP
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Does anyone know if aluminum wire is appropriate for outdoor landscape low voltage lighting? Copper is getting a bit expensive so I thought in an outdoor, low voltage situation, aluminum might be a better way to go.

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Re: Aluminum Wire For Landscape Lighting #73091
12/16/06 03:53 PM
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LearJet9  Offline
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AL wire is totally and absolutely useless for anything.

Re: Aluminum Wire For Landscape Lighting #73092
12/16/06 09:30 PM
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PCBelarge  Offline
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LearJet

That is just your opinion.

I certainly would not use Al wiring outdoors/underground.

For other applications, Al could be a cost effective way to install feeders. There are many ways to accomplish this, raceways, MC, etc...


Pierre Belarge
Re: Aluminum Wire For Landscape Lighting #73093
12/17/06 02:50 AM
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mhulbert  Offline
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If all of your runs were in PVC, and all your connections in above grade "power posts", with DB rated connectors, aluminum would be great.

For the typical LV, direct burial setup, I'd have a hard time trusitng it. Too bad, since LV lighting uses some heavy cable, the copper adds up.

Re: Aluminum Wire For Landscape Lighting #73094
12/17/06 07:51 AM
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iwire  Offline
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I agree with PCBelarge and mhulbert. [Linked Image]


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Re: Aluminum Wire For Landscape Lighting #73095
12/17/06 10:32 AM
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Tom  Offline
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Unless the manufacturer of the power unit for the system specifically allows a differant cable type or conductor type in their installation instructions, aluminum would not be permitted IMO.

In UL's White Book, under the heading of Landscape Lighting Systems, Low Voltage (IFDH), the conductors should be listed SPT-3 or SPT-2-W.

Under the heading of Flexible Cord (zjcz) in the first paragraph " All conductors are stranded copper."


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Re: Aluminum Wire For Landscape Lighting #73096
12/17/06 12:22 PM
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renosteinke  Offline
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Learjet has expressed the feeling of "the trade" ... if not that of the wire manufacturers!

Aluminum, anywhere near the ground, can't help but have corrosion issues. Nor have I ever seen a landscape lighting transformer listed for use with aluminum wire. As far as I know, aluminum is not currently made in wire finer than #6. (I could be wrong on that).

Indeed, the only place I see aluminum used is in the PoCo service drops.

But, before I get my shorts in a know over "can I or can't I," I'd look to see if the stuff exists first of all.

Re: Aluminum Wire For Landscape Lighting #73097
12/17/06 01:01 PM
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iwire  Offline
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Learjet has expressed the feeling of "the trade"


No he has not spoken for "the trade".

Aluminum can be and is used without problem for many circuits.

Would I use it for direct burial?

Would I recommend it for a seaside installation?

No.

Inside a building for feeders yes it is a fine product.


Bob Badger
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Massachusetts
Re: Aluminum Wire For Landscape Lighting #73098
12/17/06 01:52 PM
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luckyshadow  Offline
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Around here aluminum cable is used on 99.9% of residential services. The standard here is 4/0 Al. SEU service cable.
I have even seen some commercial feeders being run in aluminum .

Re: Aluminum Wire For Landscape Lighting #73099
12/18/06 07:12 AM
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Texas_Ranger  Offline
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Most European power companies have been known to run Al underground feeders everywhere, so it must be possible. One thing though: they always use crimp splices and embed them in some kind of resin, so there is absolutely NO chance of moisture or air getting to the connections.

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