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#72874 12/12/06 12:02 PM
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Rather than bundling I would consider that the violation is the NM cable supported by a run of PVC pipe.
NEC 334.15 Exposed work.
part (A) To follow Surface. Cable shall closely follow the surface of the building finish or of running boards.
The pipe is subject to being replaced or removed.
Alan--
Unless the fridge is used to do the laundry and not just keep the beer cold while doing the laundry it can NOT be on the dedicated laundry circuit.

[This message has been edited by Alan Nadon (edited 12-12-2006).]


Alan--
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#72875 12/12/06 01:58 PM
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I think the fridge IN the laundry is probably OK. It does not say what may be plugged into the "laundry" circuit, just that it only serves the laundry.
You can't serve the bath fan.


Greg Fretwell
#72876 12/12/06 05:58 PM
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While 210.52(F) only requires a Laundry outlet to be installed for the laundry a look at 210.50 (C) would tend to indicate that the laundry outlet is specifically for laundry appliances.
Alan--
A picture of this installation might make a good violation photo.

[This message has been edited by Alan Nadon (edited 12-12-2006).]


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#72877 12/12/06 08:26 PM
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I would disagree. I think 210.50(c) says that the outlet that is installed for the specific laundry appliance must be located within 6 ft of the space allocated for the appliance. I don't see either 210.50 or 210.52 preventing additional outlets on the same laundry circuit within the laundry area. Actually 210.52(f) seems to allow additional outlets. And I don't think they are assuming 2 washing machines.

#72878 12/13/06 11:12 AM
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You are correct that there may be a number of receptacle outlets on the Laundry circuit.
Section 210.11 ...In addition, branch circuits shall be provided for specific loads not covered by 220.10 where required elsewhere in this Code and for dwelling unit loads as specified in 210.11(C)
210.11(C) (2) Laundry Branch Circuit...shall be provided to supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s)...
However, unless the refrigerater is part of the load calculations used for the laundry circuit it does not belong on the Laundry circuit.
In my opinion laundry equipment may include washing machines, iron, presses, steamers, 120 volt dryers, etc.
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#72879 12/13/06 11:17 AM
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In my opinion laundry equipment may include washing machines, iron, presses, steamers, 120 volt dryers, etc.

IMO laundry equipment can be anything that is used in the laundry area.

By your interpretation the homeowner could not plug a vacuum in one of these outlets.


Bob Badger
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#72880 12/13/06 01:31 PM
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From a practical sense how would you ever police this? The fridge is probably not going to be there when they get the final anyway.
I think we sometimes get into far too much arguing about what the homeowner might do after we leave. The only sure thing is, they will do whatever they want to do. At a certain point we have to trust 240.4(D) to keep things safe and move on to the next job. If they have nuisance tripping we will be back installing another circuit. We all have to eat. The reality is the fridge and washer will peacefully coexist.


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#72881 12/13/06 01:42 PM
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Weel the inspector said that it is not the why he prefers it, but could not come up with code to say no good. The fridge was there when he looked at it. This is not the way I would have done it. Not my job just trying to help thr H.O.

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