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Maybe you should try it in residential.

It seems to work fine as 99% of them in this area are face up on the floor.

I don't know what you guys do on the west coast that finds it's way into the outlets under a range but I don't see it happening here.

We all should install equipment in a way we are comfortable with but at the same time we also need to remember that 'our way' is not the only way.

BTW If I put a range receptacle in the cabinet I bet I would get failed by the inspector. (no real code just a "we don't do that here" rule)

Edit: It just dawned on me that Mark may be thinking a 120 volt 20 amp outlet.

I believe we are talking about the 50 amp 250 volt surface mount range receptacles.

[This message has been edited by iwire (edited 07-04-2006).]

Yes Bob in the context of the what you quoted me on, yes, I was refering to Steves comment on countertops...

But back to the range outlet, don't think I have ever seen one installed on the floor, doubt I ever will around here. Just one of those interpetation type items. Simluar to those removable panels on Sub-Zero reffers that allow it to be un-plugged without unscrewing and moving it, provided you have put the receptical in its prescribed 6"X6" area described in the instructions as access to disconnect. Many other appliances around here are looked at in the same way. Dishwashers, trash compactors, ovens, insta-hots, under-cab reffers and even microwaves if installed fastened in place. Most find the outlet in adjacent cab, not that its required, or the only way, just the way we do it around here. But if you folk back in mAssachusettes (Where I grew up BTW) wanna lift a range to unplug it, more power to ya.

Anyway, like I said earier... "Note the OP is being questioned by the boss as to why it might not pass, which is why I replied with questions as the premis to the codes posted, otherwise its fine", install anyway you see fit, so long as it doesn't clearly violate a code, or common sense...

Or maybe I try this again with smilies.

"Is it horizontal face up? Could it count as a work surface?"

Oh, I should also repeat.... Neither mountain, or mole hill....

And go figure, obviously subject to damage, it got smashed.....

[This message has been edited by e57 (edited 07-04-2006).]

Mark really, your way is not the only code compliant way.


I have no doubt it is much more wide spread than MA. But why on earth would I lift the range, you pull out the drawer as specifically allowed by the NEC. (You posted it yourself.)


Why is that section there if it is not to be used?

314.27(C) does not apply.

314.27(C) applies to outlets in the floor not outlets on the floor.

We are taking about a surface mounted outlet not a flush mounted outlet.

406.4(E) Receptacles in Counter tops and Similar Work Surfaces in Dwelling Units.

Are you saying the FLOOR under a range is a work surface similar to a countertop?

I think that is a real stretch. (more than a stretch it just plain does not apply)

As the OP was asking about code compliance not how Mark would do it the bottom line (IMO) is it is a NEC compliant installation.

Bob

[This message has been edited by iwire (edited 07-04-2006).]

Bob, you're still not getting the joke and the fact that there is a non-existant conflict here.

Is it horizontal face up? Could it count as a work surface? Answer: No But who knows.... They could be very short.... So no 406.4 would not apply....

Could the receptical be looked at as a means of disconnect, and not acessible? Or isolated? Or not accessible to wiring method? i.e. having to remove a finish to move the stove, or buried under it.

Answer: Maybe That depends solely on the stove, and IF it has access through a drawer, or other way, many do not.

And I'll say this for the third time....

[/b]Otherwise its fine[/b], install anyway you see fit, so long as it doesn't clearly violate a code, or common sense...

With that Happy 4th....

Not trying to bust your chops here, just asking a question.

I have never seen an electric floor standing range that did not have a removable drawer.

Do they make such a thing?

I know or I think most Gas ranges do not have the drawer as that is the broiler on the Gas ranges.

No I am not getting the joke, but have a great and safe 4th of July. I am sure you have some good food planed.

Bob

Floor mounted stove recpt are perfectly legal. Next to flush mounted low in the wall and by low I mean all the down as far as possible the reason is so the stove can be pushed all the back tight tothe wall. that is why almost all stoves come with a space back side bottom and the draw is shallow.

From the thread "Back to the Boss's House"


DetroiterRob
Member posted 07-10-2006 08:15 PM
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back into the kitchen, now that the range outlet is straightend out (ill get ya some pics soon) there are 2 double hung small bay windows on one wall, about 32"wide and 16-18" deep with a nice copper tinned roof on the outside and yellow pine trim on the inside, a very nice looking setup once its completed.. the bosses wife wants to have one or two lights inside each window. i was thinking of either those halogen puck lights or 4" cans with an eyeball trim or somthing similar, anyone have a better idea, or reccomendations on a reliable product for the area, once the drywall is up and everything finished this is one job i dont want to revisit anytime soon... thanks
Rob

2, 4" mini cans are by far better than a puck light imo.