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Pool Cabana #64738
04/13/06 08:07 PM
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harold endean  Offline OP
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Section 680.27 (C) (3) (2002 NEC) says that radient heat in the pool deck is not allowed. What do you think about allowing the radient heat in the floor of a pool cabana, that is only 20 feet away from the pool? If the NEC doesn't want radient heat around the pool, should it be allowed in the cabana? Isn't there still going to be people walking around barefoot? I am just pondering a question here. I have someone asking about it.

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Re: Pool Cabana #64739
04/13/06 08:24 PM
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At the end of the first sentence of 680.27(C) it is made clear that this section covers the area within 20 feet from the inside edge of the pool.
Keep the radiant heating cables embedded in the deck at least 20 feet away, and you will be OK.


Earl
Re: Pool Cabana #64740
04/14/06 12:37 AM
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Personally I don't see this as any more dangerous than a radiant heater in the floor of the bathroom but it should be > 20' from the pool just to make 680 happy. These are GFCI ???
... so a failure will end up being a tripped breaker.


Greg Fretwell
Re: Pool Cabana #64741
04/14/06 08:25 AM
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harold endean  Offline OP
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I guess I a just being overly cautious, butif the radient heat is protected with GFCI and is 20 feet away from pool, then I guess all will be OK.

Re: Pool Cabana #64742
04/14/06 08:27 AM
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harold endean  Offline OP
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Here is another question that came up. Has anyone seen a pool light at the bottom of the deep end? I know that it is not allowed under 2005 NEC but since we are still under 2002 NEC, I would have to let it slide, right?

Re: Pool Cabana #64743
04/14/06 10:52 AM
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Is the "lens adequately guarded to prevent contact by any person"? That sounds to me like it can't be a regular pool light.
How do they plan to change the bulb?


Greg Fretwell
Re: Pool Cabana #64744
04/17/06 09:20 PM
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harold endean  Offline OP
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I asked the EC about this one. He said the HO was adament about keeping that light fixture. They know that they will have to hire a diver everytime the have to change the bulb. I at least got them to change the bulb from 120 volt down to a 12 volt type. I told the EC that I know (and he does now) that the 2005 NEC won't allow it, but the 2002 NEC was quiet on the subject.

Re: Pool Cabana #64745
04/17/06 09:24 PM
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harold endean  Offline OP
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Here is another thought. I was called out to help settle a dispute between an EC and the AHJ. The EC thought that the AHJ was picking on him. I cover for this AHJ when he is sick or goes on vaction, so the town knows me as well as the AHJ. The code says that when you feed a sub panel, then feed a pool the feeder must be in pipe all the way back to the main service. The Exception says a cable is allowed for an existing panel and feeder. What is to stop someone from installing a sub panel with a feeder in cable, getting an inspection, then adding a pool off of that panel?

Re: Pool Cabana #64746
04/17/06 11:26 PM
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What is to stop someone from installing a sub panel with a feeder in cable, getting an inspection, then adding a pool off of that panel?


Guilty conscience?


Greg Fretwell
Re: Pool Cabana #64747
04/18/06 12:02 AM
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PCBelarge  Offline
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Other than a guilty conscious, I would say the timing of the different permits should open someones eyes or send up a flag.


But really, what is the difference of the wiring method permitted inside of the house? Will it really make that much of a difference?


Pierre Belarge
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