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I can't believe that... #59787
12/14/05 06:31 PM
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Sandro  Offline OP
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Stoney Creek, ON, Canada
when I went to the supply house to buy several 2 pole 100amp CutlerHammer breakers and Siemens breakers for a project, it was *cheaper* for me to buy entire panelboards with the 100 amp main breaker installed. Why can't they pluck breakers off the line and take advantage of less cardboard, less weight, less metal and less shipping and pass on the savings? In this day and age of emphasis on the 3 R's, and being less wasteful, I was quite surprised.

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Re: I can't believe that... #59788
12/14/05 06:54 PM
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earlydean  Offline
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Posts: 751
Griswold, CT, USA
It is called "economy of scale". It is cheaper to package and sell panels with the main installed by the millions, instead of only hundreds of the main breakers alone. Henry Ford was the first to use this principle when he used the assembly line to produce the model A in "any color you want, so long as it is black".


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Re: I can't believe that... #59789
12/14/05 09:16 PM
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Rahway, New Jersey
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Re: I can't believe that... #59790
12/14/05 10:33 PM
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trollog  Offline
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San Diego California USA
yes, we live in a wasteful society. But I wouldn't live anywhere else.. (and I have..)

Re: I can't believe that... #59791
12/15/05 01:03 AM
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Celtic  Offline
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Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 361
NJ
I had a similar incident with a Square D panel..150A main was baked, 2 - 3 weeks and $300 for the main...OR, 1 day and $200 for a new panel w/150A MCB.
I actually made more swapping out the panel than swapping mains ~ so I am not complaining. [Linked Image]


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Re: I can't believe that... #59792
12/15/05 01:27 PM
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Dave T  Offline
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Posts: 155
Waukesha, WI, USA
"Marketing!!"
Sell the panel cheep then you have to buy the breakers. Then note the pricing for 1, 2, and 3p breakers and 15-30a, to 60a, and then 100a. Often you pay more than twice as much for a 2p than a 1p then you get the privilage to pay for more amps.
The manufacturing cost difference may be pennies.

Re: I can't believe that... #59793
12/15/05 01:49 PM
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gfretwell  Online Content

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Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,242
Estero,Fl,usa
I agree with Dave. Once they get their panel installed you are an indentured customer for their breakers. Square D (and others) forces this with their panel labelling and their insistance that a "classified" breakers will violate the panel listing.


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Re: I can't believe that... #59794
12/15/05 04:05 PM
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earlydean  Offline
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Joined: Dec 2003
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Griswold, CT, USA
You guys are sooooo cynical. Manufacturers aren't greedy! They have to charge those high prices because the stockholders demand it. Where would we be today if profits weren't continually double digit, and bank interest rates down at 1-2 percent?


Earl
Re: I can't believe that... #59795
12/15/05 09:32 PM
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e57  Offline
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Posts: 2,876
S.F.,CA USA
They figure once you have THIER panel, you'll buy some more of THIER breakers.


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Re: I can't believe that... #59796
12/15/05 11:04 PM
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Electricmanscott  Offline
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Holden, MA USA
It's called capitalism. And I love it!


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