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Re: Leaving the rough live. #54016 07/15/05 08:05 PM
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renosteinke Offline
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I've had to think about this one for a while, as I am not one to take harsh actions quickly...

Don't heat up the wires. Don't just turn off the breaker- disconnect them as well. Disobey any orders to act differently. Some things are worth getting fired over!

If you are fired, "drop a dime" to everyone you can think of, citing an "imminent hazard to life."

As the electrician, YOU, and not the foreman, GC, boss, customer, or anyone else is the "expert," They are not qualified to make electrical decisions. Period.

If you are not in a position to make the job safe, walk away. The practice you describe is simply criminal.

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Re: Leaving the rough live. #54017 07/16/05 01:10 AM
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e57 Offline OP
Reno', I shut it off not long after I got there. And I suspect there will be a pow-wow soon concerning the topic.

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"Well - I oughta....." -Jackie Gleason
Re: Leaving the rough live. #54018 07/16/05 05:59 AM
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Trumpy Offline
I agree, I think that there has to be something said about this practice (if you can call it that).
Sure, I'm not against livening up sections of an installation where they have been finished, but where I draw the line is where people could be injured or killed by the actions/inactions of a bad worker.
I also agree with John (renosteinke), where the guy that is on site, should know what the H*ll he is doing.
He is after all the most competent person with respect to Electricity, he should at least act like it!!. [Linked Image]

Re: Leaving the rough live. #54019 07/16/05 06:11 AM
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Alan Belson Offline
"If you kill him, he won't learn nothin'."

LOL [Linked Image]

Is'nt there a saw they use in hospitals that only cuts plaster of Paris?


[This message has been edited by Alan Belson (edited 07-16-2005).]

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Re: Leaving the rough live. #54020 07/16/05 06:55 AM
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Texas_Ranger Offline
Yup. It's just oszillating, so it won't hurt anything else. At school we used a similar tool for cutting fiber reinforced polyester. Quite nice to use after you got the hang of it.

Re: Leaving the rough live. #54021 07/16/05 08:46 AM
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Kelley Offline
I beleive that a floor heat company sells a type of alarm that if the cable is damaged an alarm goes off. I believe it is battery powered.

Re: Leaving the rough live. #54022 07/16/05 10:23 AM
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growler Offline
They have a test for new mobile homes that should be required for residential wiring. It gives a complete test of insulation and I think this would put an end to roto zips. Check out the information from the slaughter company. The hipot tester.
This is a fast and easy test, unlike megging.

Re: Leaving the rough live. #54023 07/17/05 08:25 PM
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nesparky Offline
One trick I learned and use at job sites is to have a large bouble bitted ax with me the day the rockers show up. I let them see me with it as I mark the floor where my boxes are. Almost always one of them will ask me what it is for. I tell them that is what I will use to open up the walls to replace damaged wiring all the way back to the panel and they will be back charged for the work. I also tell them it is what I use to find burried boxes. Rarely have had to use it.

As for leaving the panel hot. No Way. I tell them to roll out thier cords to the temp panel. Also tell them that if the temp lighting is not enough to get portable lights and roll out a cord to the temp panel.
I will not energize a panel untill trim out. I do not install breakers untill all receptacles,switches and light fixtures are installled that that panel feeds.

[This message has been edited by nesparky (edited 07-17-2005).]

Re: Leaving the rough live. #54024 07/19/05 05:26 AM
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Trumpy Offline
As far as I'm concerned.
You don't leave wires or anything like it energised.
Simply just that.
I've been to a few places where people have been fatally injured because of some idiot thinking that they would protect thier work from "meddlers".
Believe me sunshine, if you want to do that sort of thing, get ready for a prison cell with Bubba.
I wish you well!. [Linked Image]

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