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#36704 04/13/04 11:58 AM
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 456

Not sure what caused the failure, but they apaprently ran seconadry power in the same raceway as primary, so the couldn't even have secondary endergized when they inspected the primary.

#36705 04/13/04 12:53 PM
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 2,722
Broom Pusher and
Naww, it's that "Pinch" they used on "Oceans' Eleven"! [Linked Image]

[Linked Image] [Linked Image] [Linked Image]

That was the first thing I thought of when hearing the News of Power Loss at the Hotel / Casino.
Immediately spouted out about the "Pinch" and got some "Could it have been that???" looks from a few People!
(they were thinking Terrorists, not Vault Robbers).

Gee, Terry Benedict is gonna be P.O. again! [Linked Image]

Some humor attempts by me to brighten your day.


Scott " 35 " Thompson
Just Say NO To Green Eggs And Ham!
#36706 04/13/04 05:26 PM
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 228
Well I guess it was not such a good time for copper prices to go up..... Seems silly to me to have your primary and backup lines in the same duct, maybe this has something to do with the electrical gods from the village, maybe they are on vacation..

#36707 04/13/04 06:38 PM
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,527
I don’t remember the name, but one of the newer Vegas superhotels now has a switchyard out back with a 115- or 138-kV subtransmission loop feed {two circuits} and a pair of 60,000kVA transformers. That’s “gettin’ up there” for a building electrical system.

I’m sure there will be some serious fingerpointing as a result of that outage.

[This message has been edited by Bjarney (edited 04-13-2004).]

#36708 04/13/04 11:39 PM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 599
This situation kind of confuses me. I worked on Treasure Island when it was built. That place had multiple 12KV feeds, lots of unit subs and a huge central plant (in the parking structure) with multiple medium voltage back up generators. Bellagio is a bigger, newer hotel by the same developer and they say they lost everything!? I wonder if they will ever say what really happened. Those Vegas hotel jobs are absolutely massive in scope. I was one of 400 electricians on Treasure island. [Linked Image] (Memories [Linked Image] )

#36709 04/14/04 01:45 AM
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Posts: 1,438
LMAO Scott..... I'm on the same wavelength as you! Although..... There IS an ECN member that seems to frequent Las Vegas in search of electrical tomfoolery!
"Electure's idea of a fun time in Vegas is to rent a golf cart and peruse the alleyways for bad electrical, while I would rent the convertible and valet park at Bellagio.

Hmmmmmm? [Linked Image] ;p


#36710 04/14/04 09:00 PM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 599
However, the source said, Mirage Resorts, the original owner and builder of the megaresort, rejected the utility company's proposal, saying it didn't need a "Cadillac" system that ensured true redundancy to prevent a power failure such as the one experienced Sunday. Instead, the company chose to "take a chance" and have its own subcontractors build a system "on the cheap," the source said.

"Value Engineering" at it's best! [Linked Image]

#36711 04/14/04 09:09 PM
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Posts: 333
I wonder what the cost difference was, between what was and what should have been done and how much $ was lost(repairs and lost revenue), due to this incident?

#36712 04/14/04 09:09 PM
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"Value Engineering" at it's best!

You got that right.

You think someone is now job hunting?

How much money do you think this outage cost?

How many miles of cable could have been installed for that price?

Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
#36713 04/14/04 09:10 PM
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Wow Stamcom [Linked Image]

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