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Furnace igniter leaking noise to stereo #219327
05/04/18 09:58 AM
05/04/18 09:58 AM
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Haligan  Offline OP
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Berkeley, CA USA
This conundrum is happening at my own place.

The gas furnace has an electric igniter. When the thermostat triggers it, it makes the rapid sparking noise just like your basic stovetop and other furnace igniters. But, if the stereo is on, the clicking comes out of the speakers.
I checked grounding at both the stereo and furnace.
I moved the stereo to the opposite leg of my service.
I tried two fancy audiophile filters (thankfully money-back guarantee!)

I've run out of ideas apart from an expensive isolation transformer.
What have I missed?

- Eric

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Re: Furnace igniter leaking noise to stereo [Re: Haligan] #219328
05/04/18 10:41 AM
05/04/18 10:41 AM
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There is a lot of RF noise coming from any spark lighter like this. It may just be airborne and not coming from anything wired into the set. The first thing you need to do is figure out where it is getting injected into the signal path. I would disconnect the speakers and try a headset with a shielded lead to eliminate the idea it is coming directly into the speakers, although that is unlikely. Does it seem to favor any particular input? You could make up terminator plugs for any unused ones. If not you may just have it being "detected:" by a diode in the amp and I am not sure what you do about that other than better shielding around the amp.
I doubt an isolation transformer will do anything. If this is a fairly new amp, it has an inverter power supply.


Greg Fretwell
Re: Furnace igniter leaking noise to stereo [Re: Haligan] #219330
05/04/18 11:57 AM
05/04/18 11:57 AM
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Haligan  Offline OP
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Thanks Greg. I did a lot of reading on RF noise. I'm also going to check out replacing the igniter. It's more than 15 years old. Maybe ignition technology has improved.

Re: Furnace igniter leaking noise to stereo [Re: Haligan] #219353
05/17/18 10:59 PM
05/17/18 10:59 PM
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What are the conditions at the stereo? AM, FM, Tape Mon, Aux, Video??? Does the volume setting impact the noise volume?
I would try installing some low pass filtering as close to the igniter as possible.
Joe

Re: Furnace igniter leaking noise to stereo [Re: JoeTestingEngr] #219354
05/19/18 10:27 AM
05/19/18 10:27 AM
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Haligan  Offline OP
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Berkeley, CA USA
The receiver is set to CD or AUX. Noise happens on both.

I haven't been able to run to the volume knob in time, but I listen to different things at different volumes and when I'm blasting something, the noise says the same.

Here's another wrinkle- It doesn't happen every time. One out of 20 times the noise doesn't happen.

I tried a noise filter at the j box closest to the furnace. Maybe I should wire it inline with the igniter. I don't have to worry about a warranty- the furnace is 60 years old.

Re: Furnace igniter leaking noise to stereo [Re: Haligan] #219356
05/19/18 06:28 PM
05/19/18 06:28 PM
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Can you look in and see the igniter? Maybe some aluminum screening, grounded, would act like a faraday cage around that hole and knock it down.


Greg Fretwell
Re: Furnace igniter leaking noise to stereo [Re: Haligan] #219358
05/20/18 06:20 PM
05/20/18 06:20 PM
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sparkyinak  Offline
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Have you looked at the service grounding and bonding? What are you listing to through the stereo? Cable radio or FM?


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Re: Furnace igniter leaking noise to stereo [Re: Haligan] #219365
05/21/18 02:28 PM
05/21/18 02:28 PM
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Haligan  Offline OP
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Service grounding and bonding check out okay. I sunk a rod when I bought the house. The electrode is still on tight.

I'm listening through CD or AUX on the stereo. There's no radio on it. It's just an amp.

Re: Furnace igniter leaking noise to stereo [Re: Haligan] #219373
05/23/18 12:18 PM
05/23/18 12:18 PM
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geoff in UK  Offline
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May be a silly idea, but are both circuits on RCD?
I suffered a similar problem quite a lot of years ago and gave up in frustration trying to solve it, eventually putting it down to my audio system being "home brewed". In my case I couldn't attribute the source to one item.
Eventually I updated my panel to an RCD one, incidentally discovering a neutral earth short half way round my ring main. Doh! It was a neutral wire knicked by the faceplate screw. Once fixed, the audio system problem disappeared.
I believe that the currents circulating between the short and power source behaved like an hearing aid loop system, radiating at low frequency around the house and picked up by the stereo.


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