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Commercial panelboard w/ VERY unsafe access #209909 05/13/13 06:57 PM
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NickD Offline OP
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I saw this while out and about today and just had to share it... I don't currently have pictures, so I hope a description will suffice. frown

Picture this, a PB installed about 10ft up a wall in a public space... that in itself is not a problem, provided certain provisions are made... but... that's the only thing about the install that's OK. Directly below the board, there is a small, unprotected ledge, about 8ft wide and 18in deep... no railing or anything.

But wait, it gets worse! Below that ledge is a set of double doors which control access to an employees-only area of the store.

So, in summary:
-Panelboard with insufficient frontal clearance
-No fixed means of access
-Unsafe access in general

Thoughts? Have you seen worse? eek

Last edited by NickD; 05/13/13 06:58 PM.
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Re: Commercial panelboard w/ VERY unsafe access [Re: NickD] #209914 05/13/13 09:29 PM
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Some areas on PA do not/did not have any permit, inspection, or licensing requirements, so, what you describe does not shock me.

Perhaps, once upon a time there was a mezzinine??



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Re: Commercial panelboard w/ VERY unsafe access [Re: NickD] #209915 05/13/13 11:23 PM
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To be truthful, there WAS actually a second floor area and the PB was located just around the top of the stairs to the second floor, but the (de)construction that was just completed says that the current situation won't be remedied. The store (a farmer's market) was specifically designed as originally built and the modifications that have been done have left nowhere for the PB to be moved, without a LOT of expensive electrical rework and construction.

It just amuses me, though... it's not that they simply violated code, they violated sense and sensibility too. I am very aware of PA's extremely lax "electrical regulation"... I live right in the thick of it. laugh

Re: Commercial panelboard w/ VERY unsafe access [Re: NickD] #209921 05/14/13 03:15 PM
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Unfortunatley, sense, common sense, and good old brains are not is any codes.


John
Re: Commercial panelboard w/ VERY unsafe access [Re: NickD] #209946 05/16/13 07:12 PM
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Some years ago someone posted a picture of a panelboard that was located in the shower of a bathroom. And another posted a picture of a panelboard that had no cover on it, because the gas pipe was in the way...

Re: Commercial panelboard w/ VERY unsafe access [Re: NickD] #209947 05/16/13 09:28 PM
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Hey, at least those are readily accessible... unless someone happened to be using the shower, of course. clap

Re: Commercial panelboard w/ VERY unsafe access [Re: wa2ise] #209949 05/17/13 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by wa2ise
Some years ago someone posted a picture of a panelboard that was located in the shower of a bathroom...
An Oldie but Goodie....

[Linked Image]

Re: Commercial panelboard w/ VERY unsafe access [Re: NickD] #210000 05/21/13 03:43 PM
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Here she is...

[Linked Image from fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net]

Last edited by NickD; 05/21/13 03:44 PM.
Re: Commercial panelboard w/ VERY unsafe access [Re: NickD] #210011 05/21/13 11:26 PM
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Park a scissor lift in front of it and you have great access, and ain't nobody going to open those doors.

Would hate to have that siren go off though with your hands inside the panel.

Re: Commercial panelboard w/ VERY unsafe access [Re: NickD] #210015 05/22/13 01:13 AM
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Nick, which Farmer's market is this? I think I was there before...

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