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lock nut 2 or 1 #205397
02/18/12 02:06 AM
02/18/12 02:06 AM
Niko  Offline OP
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How many lock nuts are required at each end of IMC or RMC conduit that enter an enclosure. One outside and one inside of the enclosure or just one inside?

I always have installed 2 (outside and inside), but i vaguely remember that i had read somewhere that only one is required on the inside.

I could be wrong.


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Re: lock nut 2 or 1 [Re: Niko] #205398
02/18/12 02:55 AM
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mikethebull  Offline
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I'm lookin @ 342 & 344 and I don' t seewhere locknuts are required on both sides

Re: lock nut 2 or 1 [Re: Niko] #205400
02/18/12 03:59 AM
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You may be thinking about this

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250.97 Bonding for Over 250 Volts.
For circuits of over 250 volts to ground, the electrical continuity of metal raceways and cables with metal sheaths that contain any conductor other than service conductors shall be ensured by one or more of the methods specified for services in 250.92(B), except for (B)(1).

Exception: Where oversized, concentric, or eccentric knockouts are not encountered, or where a box or enclosure with concentric or eccentric knockouts is listed to provide a reliable bonding connection, the following methods shall be permitted:

(2) Two locknuts, on rigid metal conduit or intermediate metal conduit, one inside and one outside of boxes and cabinets


Some inspectors want this whenever the raceway is the sole bonding means on any line voltage circuit.


Greg Fretwell
Re: lock nut 2 or 1 [Re: Niko] #205402
02/18/12 04:59 PM
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Am I missing something? Installing IMC/RGC into an enclosure, IF you don't have a locknut on the outside what prevents the raceway from falling into the enclosure?



John
Re: lock nut 2 or 1 [Re: HotLine1] #205403
02/18/12 06:34 PM
02/18/12 06:34 PM
Niko  Offline OP
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Originally Posted by HotLine1
Am I missing something? Installing IMC/RGC into an enclosure, IF you don't have a locknut on the outside what prevents the raceway from falling into the enclosure?


the straps and the other end of the conduit that is held in place by one locknut in the interior of the other box.

don't get me wrong i always install 2, but was just wondering if it is a code issue or UL issue to have only one.


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Re: lock nut 2 or 1 [Re: Niko] #205410
02/18/12 10:12 PM
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George Little  Offline
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The words in 300.10 Make it very hard to install RMC or IMC using only one locknut (assume it's not a bonding locknut) and maintain continuity of the grounding conductor if the raceway is the grounding conductor. I would not approve an installation of RMC or IMC using a single standard locknut on the inside of an enclosure and nothing on the outside.



300.10 NEC 2008 Edition

Last edited by George Little; 02/18/12 10:13 PM. Reason: Typo

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Re: lock nut 2 or 1 [Re: Niko] #205411
02/18/12 10:22 PM
02/18/12 10:22 PM
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George:

This part will work for me.

From 300.10 (2011)
"....shall be mechanically secured to boxes, fittings,
cabinets, and other enclosures."

Niko:
Using your scenario above, it sounds like a heck of a lot of work to save 2 locknuts. I have to say, I have not had anyone try that kind of install.

Could you apply the same mechanical logic with EMT fittings, without locknuts inside the boxes, and the shoulder of the connectors making contact??





John
Re: lock nut 2 or 1 [Re: Niko] #205412
02/18/12 11:48 PM
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Tesla  Offline
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GRC needs two (2) locknuts at each connection, unless the terminus is hubbed.

And don't forget your ( plastic ) bushings, too. I'm amazed at how often they're forgotten.

( GRC nipples require bushings across the entire range of wire sizes. 344.46 )

This also applies to running threads.

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That you are even spending one second on this line of inquiry -- is a miss-application of time.

One does NOT make it in the trades by trying to value engineer out locknuts.

It is in the nature of the beast that electrical contractors always have a surfeit of said locknuts since so many connectors end up terminating in PVC female adapters. ( F/As )

Hence, locknuts hold nothing but Scrap Value -- particularly now that China is exporting steel fittings on the cheap.


Tesla
Re: lock nut 2 or 1 [Re: Niko] #205413
02/19/12 05:51 AM
02/19/12 05:51 AM
Niko  Offline OP
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Guys dont get me wrong i always install outside and inside. furthermore i agree it would be a waste of time as tesla said.

I also agree what 300.10, but if a single lock nut is used and the conduit is secured then i can't fail the inspections.



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Re: lock nut 2 or 1 [Re: Niko] #205414
02/19/12 01:19 PM
02/19/12 01:19 PM
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if a single lock nut is used and the conduit is secured then i can't fail the inspections.


Sure you can. "secured" is one of those terms that end up being defined by the AHJ. They could easily call this "loosely jointed" and want to see bonding jumpers with bushings. Lock nuts are cheap, Use 2 and make everyone happy.


Greg Fretwell
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