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#204719 - 01/03/12 02:07 AM NEC 625.13  
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Does anyone know the reason for 625.13 requiring vehicle charging equipment to be permanently connected ... as opposed to being plugged in with a suitably rated plug?


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#204720 - 01/03/12 03:00 AM Re: NEC 625.13 [Re: pdh]  
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625.13 Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment. Electric vehicle
supply equipment rated at 125 volts, single phase, 15 or
20 amperes or part of a system identified and listed as suitable
for the purpose and meeting the requirements of 625.18,
625.19, and 625.29 shall be permitted to be cord-and-plugconnected.
All other electric vehicle supply equipment shall be
permanently connected and fastened in place. This equipment
shall have no exposed live parts.


They put a loophole in there to allow 240v chargers like this. It just needs to be listed.
http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpSctDspRte.jsp?section=41916&minisite=10026



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#204725 - 01/03/12 03:48 PM Re: NEC 625.13 [Re: pdh]  
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I guess that works as long as they list it for cord and plug connection. If/when I go with one of these electric cars, I might have as many as 4 locations I'd want to charge up from, and don't want to have to buy a duplicate charge station at each (unless they get lower in price).

I suppose I'd have to fit a plug on the end of the cord they provide since I've not seen the specs listing a particular plug type. If they did, I wonder what type it would be. The NEMA standard L6-50 is only sold in Japan that I can find. American companies seem to only have the non-NEMA "California" types. Or there is the IEC-60309 360P6W.


#204731 - 01/03/12 08:19 PM Re: NEC 625.13 [Re: pdh]  
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Poking around on the Leviton site I see a EVB22-3PM that is 3.8 KW and uses a 6-20P. (16a) so there are different models.
I think I would look for one that was 30a and I would put a "dryer" plug on it. The garage is usually where the dryer is around here. I put a dryer plug on my welder 40 years ago and that has saved me a lot of times because most people have a receptacle. I have a 25' extension cord with #10 and a 50' with #6 SO cord (yanked out of a computer room)


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#204732 - 01/03/12 10:01 PM Re: NEC 625.13 [Re: pdh]  
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I'm aiming for at least 7.2kw charging rate, or higher. Supposedly all but the smallest electric cars can do that. I haven't made any purchasing decisions, yet. But I'm just thinking of options.

One of the things that will hurt electric cars is that they just can't do the "quick fill up" thing that liquid fuel vehicles can do. That's going to make it very difficult to adopt electric cars for anything but local usage. But these slow level one chargers (120 volt 15-20 amps) aren't really going to help much unless you get the miniature cars.

FYI, a friend of mine is building his own electric car on an old frame with new motors and batteries. He plans to just use it for show and grocery runs, and charge it totally from solar and wind. It will be interesting how he sets this up.


#204734 - 01/03/12 10:58 PM Re: NEC 625.13 [Re: pdh]  
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Was just looking at some details on the Nissan Leaf. Its 120V charging rate is 5 MPH (e.g. an hour of charge adds 5 miles to the range). Seems like a convenient way to measure charging rates.

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#204736 - 01/04/12 01:07 AM Re: NEC 625.13 [Re: pdh]  
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I could not find that charger with the 7.7KW output on the web site. I am not sure if they still have some bugs they are working out or if this just hasn't made the web site.
The Focus has a 23kwh battery and theoretically a 7.7 kw charger would bring it up in 3 hours. That isn't horrible but you need to find 40-50a at 240v. If I wanted to really be "portable" I think I would make up some adapter cables for a bunch of different receptacles and pack a long power cord.


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#204737 - 01/04/12 02:28 AM Re: NEC 625.13 [Re: pdh]  
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I'd just put in a 240V 50A outlet at each location ... cheaper than putting in a hardwired charging station. But it remains to be seen how hard it is to deal with hauling the charging station around. Still, I'd rather have the charging station be plugged in to an outlet rather than hard wired. And I'd rather have a L6-30 over 14-30 anyway, if I was going to do this at the 24A level. Above that, L6-50 is hard to find (import from Japan) and IEC is more expensive (heavier duty, too).

FYI, I've read that a gasoline pump delivers energy at a rate approximately equivalent to 5 megawatt. I don't think any all-electric car is going to reach that any time soon. It's not just the short range (which I'm sure they will gradually extend), but the time waiting for the rapid charge to complete during the trip. Gonna have to be restaurants and motels combined with charging stations.


#204738 - 01/04/12 02:40 AM Re: NEC 625.13 [Re: pdh]  
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You could go with a 10-50 "range" plug.


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#204743 - 01/04/12 08:06 PM Re: NEC 625.13 [Re: pdh]  
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Why a 10-50? Why not a 6-50 or even a 14-50? I kind like having an officially designated EGC. Yeah, I know a 10-50's neutral could electrically act as an EGC on a dedicated circuit (which this most certainly would be).

I'd rather have a locking connector, but a straight blade will do. I also want some kind of cutoff switch before the outlet. One of those 60A motor switches would satisfy me, but maybe a small 2 slot breaker panel with a 50A GFCI would be good.

Some cars have their inlet on the front and some cars hav their inlet on the side (where one might expect fuel input to be).


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