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#200425 - 04/01/11 08:08 AM Counterfeit Products  
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#200429 - 04/01/11 09:45 AM Re: Counterfeit Products [Re: sparky]  
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~s~:
Utube is unaccessable from office PC.

There has been a lot of counterfeit articles & a few videos floating around. Sq D with QO cbs, and one from NEMA on zip & extension cords.

I'll check out your link later from home.



John

#200439 - 04/01/11 03:53 PM Re: Counterfeit Products [Re: HotLine1]  
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HotOne,
they have a web site>

http://www.counterfeitcankill.com

i think it's the same crew

check this out>>>>


You will be sued for breach of contract, negligence, gross negligence, perhaps internal misrepresentation, strict liability or fraud. … You could face up to 10 years in prison, $5 million in fines and $10 million for the company for a first offense.”

William J. Ferguson, vice president of administration and general counsel for Babcock Power Inc


~S~


#200441 - 04/01/11 05:13 PM Re: Counterfeit Products [Re: sparky]  
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We've discussed this several times. Apart from encouraging our fellow workers to stick with established suppliers, there's not much that can be done at our level.

Overlooked in such dramatic press releases are two very relevant points.

The first is that the entire issue of counterfeit goods operates under the protection, even encouragement, of certain governemnts. The only way to 'police' one army is with another.

The other is that "respectable" manufacturers and vendors are more than happy to twist and abuse the system to further their own marketing plans and methods. If you look closely enough at many of the 'counterfeit' seizures made, they are of genuine parts that the original manufacturer intended for marketing overseas - so called 'gray market' goods.



#200449 - 04/01/11 06:17 PM Re: Counterfeit Products [Re: renosteinke]  
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ok, lemme ask how to keep it clean here, the man in the video is telling us to look for UL's new improved label Reno, but i believe we could be buying electrical goods under a variety of NRTL labels> (from Wiki)


OSHA, an agency of the United States Department of Labor, publishes a list of Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratories (NRTLs). The testing laboratories test products and certify if they pass standards tests.

Organizations Currently Recognized by OSHA as NRTLs:

Canadian Standards Association (CSA) (also known as CSA International)
Communication Certification Laboratory, Inc. (CCL)
Curtis-Straus LLC (CSL)
Electrical Reliability Services, Inc. (ERS) (also known as eti Conformity Services and formerly Electro-Test, Inc. (ETI))
FM Approvals LLC (FM) (formerly Factory Mutual Research Corporation)
Intertek Testing Services NA, Inc. (ITSNA) (formerly ETL)
MET Laboratories, Inc. (MET)
NSF International (NSF)
National Technical Systems, Inc. (NTS)
QPS Evaluation Services, Inc. (QPS)
SGS U.S. Testing Company, Inc. (SGSUS) (formerly UST-CA)
Southwest Research Institute (SWRI)
Technischer Überwachungsverein (TÜV)
Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (UL)
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. (WL)



so, how are we supposed to keep up with a dozen+ labels?

~S~


Last edited by sparky; 04/01/11 06:24 PM.

#200460 - 04/02/11 08:00 AM Re: Counterfeit Products [Re: sparky]  
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The other is that "respectable" manufacturers and vendors are more than happy to twist and abuse the system to further their own marketing plans and methods.

yeah, you know what really gets my goat, these so called captains of our industry speaking like they're so concerned about us are the free traitors who pursued 3rd world labor to manufacture their products in the first place

then they take out full page ads in the trade rags, with an electrican behind bars

with appologies to Joe Walsh>



Sometimes I can't help but thinkin' that I'm workin' a trade of illusion

And oh why can't we let it be and see through the hole in this market collusion

I just can't help but feeling I'm workin' a trade of illusion



Pow,right between the eyes Oh how market loves her little surprises

Wow,it all seems so logical now It's just one of her better disguises



And it comes with no warning the market loves her little surprises

Continual crisis


~S(busking for bail $$$) parky~


#200462 - 04/02/11 12:21 PM Re: Counterfeit Products [Re: sparky]  
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Ul's advice>
http://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/offerings/services/programs/anticounterfeitingoperations/program/

webinar>

http://www.ecmag.com/video/?id=14&filename=GE%5FAnticounterfeit%5FWebinar%2Eflv

webinar page>

http://www.ecmag.com/video/?id=14&filename=GE_Anticounterfeit_Webinar



58 minutes of my time to learn that everyone short of Homeland Security is on it

and nobody has a universal solution to it

~S~


#200466 - 04/02/11 01:27 PM Re: Counterfeit Products [Re: sparky]  
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The problem is so pervasive that I am not sure what a "safe" distribution network really is. They have found counterfeits big name stores.
We had an inspector stumble into some suspect appliances in Miami and by the time the cops got there, the place was cleaned out. I am sure those appliances made their way into "scratch and dent" stores or were sold on the internet.


Greg Fretwell

#200470 - 04/02/11 05:12 PM Re: Counterfeit Products [Re: gfretwell]  
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well then, what about those 50 fake electrical goods sites they're taking about?

why can't we (by we, i mean EC's) get a list of those?

i've surfed around, perhaps i've missed it but so far no soap

anyone?
~S~




#200496 - 04/03/11 06:37 PM Re: Counterfeit Products [Re: sparky]  
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Check the Electrical Safety Foundation International site for their DVD covering this subject.


Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant

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