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No spares... yer hooped
#199703
03/05/11 05:50 AM
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What would you do if a residential customer wanted an new 120V dedicated circuit but panel is full?..... of tandems.
Pretend they don't want any added/upgraded panels.
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Re: No spares... yer hooped
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#199704
03/05/11 08:13 AM
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Jimmy
Life is tough, Life is tougher when you are stupid
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Re: No spares... yer hooped
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#199706
03/05/11 11:03 AM
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Can you pull two circuits out of the panel and combine them into one circuit?
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Re: No spares... yer hooped
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#199710
03/05/11 03:44 PM
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Subpanel ??? This is always a problem in older houses with a kitchen reno. things like mircrowave hood combos dish washers that were hacked into the laundry plug in the basement, fridge relocate new counters that need more counter plugs now etc.
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Re: No spares... yer hooped
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#199718
03/05/11 08:55 PM
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 ... Ya... If you stay reallllly still, they might forget... then you can steal all their cookies!
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Re: No spares... yer hooped
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#199719
03/05/11 08:56 PM
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You can...
This isn't a real situation for me... just gettin some input.
It's a good idea, load permitting ofcourse.
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Re: No spares... yer hooped
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#199721
03/06/11 01:14 AM
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Oh, its a hypothetical question. Run an extension cord to the neighbor's separate circuit outside plug. No one ever tripped over a hypothetical extension cord.
Actually, this problem comes up a lot. It's the reason the DIY stores sell SJ cord by the foot.
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Re: No spares... yer hooped
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#199727
03/06/11 08:34 AM
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 Ya it does come up a lot. Can't really win either way... I mean it can be safe, especially if you fed the 2 circuits with a #12 (or #10 if it's an FP panel) But running away is a little nicer for the pains. Though I still raise an eyebrow when I dedicate a dining room plug. I can't remember anyone using it for something other than a lamp or phone, if anything.
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Re: No spares... yer hooped
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#199743
03/06/11 07:42 PM
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I would say you can't answer this question without a load calculation.
Greg Fretwell
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Re: No spares... yer hooped
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#199744
03/06/11 08:20 PM
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Greg, in Canada we can put 12 outlets on a 15 amp circuit. When a panel is full, sometimes it's because every electrician ran a new feed for every new outlet. Then, we can pull two circuits out and combine them on one 15 amp breaker.
The dining room plug is outdated. I haven't seen a toaster on a dining room table for 30 years.
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