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Alternative Energy From France #197168
11/12/10 11:48 PM
11/12/10 11:48 PM
Trumpy  Offline
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Pictures and comments from Alan Belson:

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Denise and I took the dogs out for a walk round a lake a few miles away at Fougerolles du Plessey and found this huge photovoltaic project being constructed by EDF. A visit to the local Maire and a quick look at the permis de construire elicited only that the site has a plan area of over 5 hectares, [538,000 square feet], but at 100 kWh/m2/annum for Northern France, I make that over 5,000 MWh of annual production.



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Re: Alternative Energy From France [Re: Trumpy] #197169
11/12/10 11:56 PM
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Iíll post more pics when the project is more advanced.



regards,
Alan.

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48 27' 43.36"N 0 58' 07.37"W will fly you 'Google Earth' to the Transmission Substation. This is an old view, but the yard looks complete with transformers and pylons.





Re: Alternative Energy From France [Re: Trumpy] #197173
11/13/10 10:03 AM
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The French have been toying with all manner of creative energy schemes for decades. I can't say that their motives are economic; rather, it's an idea that seems to excite the national imagination.

IMO, the pictures show one of the more common 'blind alleys' along the path to energy independence: massive central projects. It is my belief that the 'holy grail' will be found when we instead focus on small, individually owned units- and relegate the PoCo to acting more like a bank and accountant, rather than the primary manufacturer.

Re: Alternative Energy From France [Re: renosteinke] #197178
11/13/10 02:58 PM
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When they finally get the "buck a watt" solar cells that have reasonable reliability this will really take off. The sun is free, it is the hardware cost to get that free sun that has held the industry back. So far, it only works with massive tax payers subsidies if you are competing with wire and fossil fuel.


Greg Fretwell
Re: Alternative Energy From France [Re: gfretwell] #197191
11/14/10 12:51 PM
11/14/10 12:51 PM
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Any idea why the location ? I would have expected further south to have more clear skies.

Re: Alternative Energy From France [Re: geoff in UK] #197201
11/14/10 05:38 PM
11/14/10 05:38 PM
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Geoff, this could be for several reasons.

The location is about 250 miles south of London and we enjoy far milder weather than the lattitude might suggest- Artic it ain't!
France is also a big country with a low relative population. Cheap land is a factor.

Alors, Pays de la Loire is an economically depressed agricultural area and thus ripe for EU regional grants. EDF are constructing photovoltaic farms all over France and beyond - a total spend of about 1,000 million euros 2010-12 on large scale projects wordwide is already funded.

At the same time, EDF is building the two initial 12 MW tranches of the Gabardan photovoltaic power plant, currently under construction, which will be commissioned this year. Located in south-west France in la Landes, the ground-based solar power plant will achieve a total capacity of 76 MW, making it one of the largest solar photovoltaic projects in Europe.

Not only that, but to take Reno's point, they are also marketing thousands upon thousands of house-roof units from 9kW-up too, will lend you the capital over 30 years and pay up to 40+ cents a kWh for your net production, [at least while the funds last! blush] Claimed working life for these units is 30 years, [. whistle..takes pinch of salt!].

France's electicity is almost all made in her 58+ nuclear facilities or from hydro stations. So successful has EDF been, [critics might say that's because it's an unassailable Gummint monopoly, 'philes might say it's run as superbly as any organisation could hope to achieve - I don't knock it, because I enjoy the cheapest electricity anywhere in Europe], that it now supplies a good % of your electicity in Blighty, along with much of your drinking water and gas!

Maybe pure coincidence, but the new 400,000v Contentin-Maine transmission line taking power south toward Italy from the new 1750MW Flammanville nuclear power station in Brittany will pass within just 5 kilometers of the site.... wink

Last edited by Alan Belson; 11/14/10 05:40 PM.

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