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Sign Disconnect #188420
08/07/09 06:58 PM
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George Little  Offline OP
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Article 600.6 ask for a disconnect for a sign. If a sign builder installs a switch as an integral part of the sigh does this satisfy the requirement? One must realize that the UL standard does not require a disconnect as part of the requirements for sign construction.


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Re: Sign Disconnect [Re: George Little] #188422
08/07/09 08:25 PM
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gfretwell  Online Content

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If it was at the circuit entry into the sign, disconnected all ungrounded conductors and was marked as the disconnect with an "off" position I would allow it.


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Re: Sign Disconnect [Re: gfretwell] #188451
08/09/09 06:29 PM
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yes a factory installed disconnecting switch that disconnects all ungrounded conductors is allowed

Re: Sign Disconnect [Re: luckyshadow] #188489
08/11/09 03:57 PM
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George Little  Offline OP
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I guess I left out a very key point. The branch circuit enters the back of the sign enclosure, travels through the sign and then exits the sign to terminate on the line side of a WP switch mounted on the sign. The load side of the switch has conductors that re-enter the sign enclosure and connect up to the Xformer of the sign. I feel that this a violation of 600.6 since the switch does not disconnect all un-grounded conductors in the sign. What do you think?


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Re: Sign Disconnect [Re: George Little] #188494
08/11/09 06:36 PM
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gfretwell  Online Content

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Note I said "at the circuit entry into the sign". I agree with you, either move the disconnect to the conduit entry point or change where the conduit enters to make it next to the switch, preferably in a separate enclosure within the sign.
This could be as simple as a 4x4 deep ring that covered the switch terminals and conduit entry with a blank cover on the other side.
I believe the purpose of the disconnect is to make the interior of the equipment safe. I am not making a proposal but I do think a label over the disconnect enclosure saying something like "line voltage present with disconnect off" is a good idea.


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