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Multiple Electricians, None with a License #184470 02/10/09 11:48 PM
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Here's some interesting pics from DIY mess. This is a club with multiple DIYer's

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Picture #1 This pic is above the panel in the ceiling, Left pipe is the panel feeders minus a ground wire coming from the MDP on exterior wall. #3 THHN protected by a 200 amp main going into a 100 amp main Right pipe is branch circuit conductors for the electric furnace. All above a drop ceiling:

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Picture #2 Recessed light:

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Picture #3 Building penetration for outdoor ceiling fans on porch:

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Picture #4 Direct bury sealtite:

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Picture #5 Light pole branch circuit wiring with missing handhole cover, filled with expansion foam:

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Picture #6 Must have been a plumber doing the wiring:

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Picture #7 Outdoor recepts, 4 of these along a 15 foot run with a GFCI on the end (picture #8) not protecting the other three.

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Re: Multiple Electricians, None with a License [Re: Admin] #184513 02/12/09 02:24 AM
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packrat56 Offline
That porcelain fixture recessed into ceiling is somewhat frightening, to me that just spells fire hazard. I do like the convenience of the outlet in the last picture though, NOT.

Last edited by packrat56; 02/12/09 02:29 AM.

I have a sense of adventure, I just keep it leashed with common sense.
Re: Multiple Electricians, None with a License [Re: packrat56] #184520 02/12/09 09:29 AM
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leland Offline
Pic # 3= Explain that violation please
#6- Expansion Coupling upside down.
#7- Wheres the last bubble cover?

I would point the ceiling stuff out to someone,That is just plain dangerous.

Off topic-

We are required to use insulated NM staples. Any one else?

Re: Multiple Electricians, None with a License [Re: leland] #184522 02/12/09 10:17 AM
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NJwirenut Offline
Re: picture #4

A lot of sealtite (LTFMC) is actually rated for direct burial or use in poured concrete.

It doesn't *sound* right, and it isn't something that I would ever think of doing (the stuff is hard enough to fish through as it is), but as long as the stuff is marked "direct burial", it is NOT a NEC violation.

Re: Multiple Electricians, None with a License [Re: NJwirenut] #184537 02/12/09 01:55 PM
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HotLine1 Offline
#3: thinking about it, I can't site an NEC violation. THe proximity of the A-lamp to the ceiling tile could reffle the FD feathers.

#6: Guess that the box is tucked away??

As to the expansion coupling, it looks correct to me. I'll pull out the Carlon specs later.

Re: Multiple Electricians, None with a License [Re: HotLine1] #184538 02/12/09 02:06 PM
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HotLine1 Offline

LFMC is approved for direct burial (2005, 350.10), provided it is marked as such. There is no mention to imbedded in concrete, either approved for or prohibited.

It also cannot be subject to physical damage, and a weedwacker, or a lawnmower sure can cause damage. Judging by the condition of some of the connectors, this has been around for a while.

350.30 (A) also jumps out; support.

Re: Multiple Electricians, None with a License [Re: HotLine1] #184597 02/13/09 11:04 PM
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Narrowbackpride Offline
Pic #1 is the big stupid, if yoy DIY than you only need YOU_ALL rating.

Pic #2 needs extension ring.

Pic #3 have to get code book for o/s pfl, but I have poked outside that way many times.

Pic #4 depends on the listing of the carflex, and I have always used the DB as support-if you are in the ground before you need support-the earth is support (has never failed on 16 yrs. of inspections).

Pic #5 all pole lights at some point will be held together by black tape and screwlocks sooner or later, shabby but safer than open splice (I always fix them even if it means custom made 4-s blank and tap and dye set.

Pic #6 white fittings are plumbing fittings.

Pic #7 may be high enough to not require gfi.

How many maintenance guys do you know that "used to be" electricians?
Re: Multiple Electricians, None with a License [Re: Narrowbackpride] #184599 02/13/09 11:19 PM
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leland Offline
#7 210.8(B)(4).

#6- We all walked right by the set/screw coupling.

Last edited by leland; 02/13/09 11:21 PM.


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