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phase failure protection #180730
09/07/08 09:04 PM
09/07/08 09:04 PM
tradesmen  Offline OP
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 9
I have been called to a church that is having a problem with losing the "b" phase of a 120/208 volt system.This problem has happened 3 times in 2 weeks. Power company had a problem somewhere along the line which was causing the problem,but not at the church though.The church has 3 phase air conditioning equipment and are concerned about damage to the equipment do to low voltage.The service is 3 seperate 400amp fused disconnects,which are located in different parts of the facility.My question is,is there some type equipment that would shut down the power total if a phase is lost.better to have no a/c than run it on partial power
thank you for your in put

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Re: phase failure protection [Re: tradesmen] #180731
09/07/08 09:32 PM
09/07/08 09:32 PM
renosteinke  Offline
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Yes, there is. And installing it might be easier than you think.

The newer starters have electronic 'overloads.' Apart from doing what the 'heaters' used to do, they also kick out for low voltage, or a phase imbalance. Motor is thus protected.

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Re: phase failure protection [Re: renosteinke] #180733
09/07/08 09:39 PM
09/07/08 09:39 PM
NORCAL  Offline
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Posts: 878
What about a phase failure relay and tie it in to disable the A/C's?

Re: phase failure protection [Re: NORCAL] #180734
09/07/08 11:40 PM
09/07/08 11:40 PM
sparkyinak  Offline
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,329
Yep. A phase failure relay has a dry contact on it so it will open the contact. All you need to do is run the control circuit though the contact.

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Re: phase failure protection [Re: NORCAL] #180735
09/08/08 12:02 AM
09/08/08 12:02 AM
JoeTestingEngr  Offline
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 791
Chicago, Il.
I would go with the phase loss monitor (lotsa names for the same thing) as NORCAL suggested. I would also add a Time Delay Operate relay set to at least 5 minutes to prevent short cycling. The PLM looks for phase loss, imbalance, or reversal. A set of contacts from the PLM feed the timer at the HVAC control voltage. This wouldn't be necessary if the controls are already of a smart type that protect compressors. You could drive an indicator from the timer's NC contacts so that building maintenance staff can see that you are waiting for the power to be on long enough before turning on the AC.

Re: phase failure protection [Re: JoeTestingEngr] #180746
09/08/08 12:11 PM
09/08/08 12:11 PM
JValdes  Offline
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 301
South Carolina
A phase monitor is the way to go. But do not try to open the service, only the critical equipment like the air.
Use one set of contacts for the alarm.


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