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Mike,am I going to have to restart the thread about multiple countries separated by a common language again? smile

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Originally Posted by Trumpy
I've struck solid 2.5mm here a few times in houses built or re-wired during the 60's.


Metric size cables were introduced here around 1970.

Here are the T&E sizes which were used before:

https://www.electrical-contractor.net/pc/IEE1966_T3.JPG

Note that all were stranded, except for the smallest size. Ring circuits, for example, were typically wired with 7/.029 cable.

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Also there is solid 1 mm² TPS with 1.5 mm² stranded earth floating about.

I have used it and seen it on jobs too.


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There's a simple reason why stranded wire in smaller cross sections is not used here. Sockets and switches with screw terminals are flat out extinct and push-in terminals are not rated for the use of stranded wire, neither with nor without ferrules. And even if there were screw terminals, crimping ferrules on every single connection would take so much time it would be economic suicide.

Last but not least, stranded wire is thicker than solid of the same cross-section, I can only assume this is due to the (albeit small) air space between the strands. So, the notoriuosly small Austrian/German boxes overfill even quicker (I once tried to correct an install where a moron had pulled 3x2.5mm2 stranded PVC cord in conduit). Solid wire needs a strong push, but then it's in the box and will stay there.

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Originally Posted by RODALCO
Also there is solid 1 mm² TPS with 1.5 mm² stranded earth floating about.


That's odd. Over here it's the other way around, i.e. the earth conductor is reduced size compared to the L/N conductors. 1.5 sq. mm T&E has a 1.0 earth, 2.5 T&E has 1.5 earth, etc. The exception is for the smallest T&E, which has 1.0 sq. mm for L/N and earth.

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