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Office Violations #169655 10/11/07 12:07 AM
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I took these pictures at my dad's office but we didn't know of these problems until we started remodeling. The picture with the pull-chain light is in a paneled ceiling attached to a single gang box and it turned on when I pulled the string.

The genius that installed the circuits apparently didn’t believe in ground wires because only 6 out of about 60 circuits actually have a ground wire connected to the grounding bus bar. All of the other circuits coming have been grounded through the metal conduit runs.

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Re: Office Violations [Re: Admin] #169661 10/11/07 06:34 AM
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wire_twister Offline
Is that a three phase panel with a lug missing? Is there an EGC even run into this panel? At least they installed switch duty breakers.


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Re: Office Violations [Re: wire_twister] #169663 10/11/07 06:40 AM
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HotLine1 Offline
The pull chain lamholder was probablt 'there first'; then the drop ceiling was installed.

Continuous metalic conduit runs do not require a EGC.

Re: Office Violations [Re: HotLine1] #169674 10/11/07 01:33 PM
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SvenNYC Offline
I love the wire nuts dangling outside the panel!

Re: Office Violations [Re: SvenNYC] #169694 10/12/07 10:38 AM
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BElder Offline
37 Breakers and no service Disconect

Re: Office Violations [Re: BElder] #169695 10/12/07 12:10 PM
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EV607797 Offline
Well, it could be a sub panel which is probably the case. That wouldn't require a main disconnect. I'm not crazy about that URD cable being used for the feeders though. No doubt that that "A" phase lug is burned off. Wonder what every third pole space is doing for power?

Is it just me or does it look like that PVC coming in on the upper right has been reduced from 1-1/4" to 1"?


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Re: Office Violations [Re: EV607797] #169701 10/12/07 01:35 PM
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trobb Offline
Maybe the burned-out phase is the reason for the "X's" on all those breakers- they don't have one of their legs and thus don't work correctly.

Re: Office Violations [Re: trobb] #169708 10/12/07 08:19 PM
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NORCAL Offline
It is very unlikely that is a 3 phase panel. That insulator/support is the same on C-H "CH" type single or 3 phase panels.

Re: Office Violations [Re: NORCAL] #169726 10/13/07 03:04 PM
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Rewired Offline
I wonder what that piece of NM is feeding at the top of the panel, and I really like the bonding conductor at the bottom exiting from the PVC conduit on the left, not identified as a ground / bond ( Gee I hope no one ever mistakenly connects this conductor to a breaker for whatever reason!) and connected the way it is at the ground buss... Nice! LOL


Re: Office Violations [Re: Rewired] #169738 10/14/07 04:49 AM
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ShockMe77 Offline
What's with the yellow grounded conductor? I've only seen yellow neutrals in marine-type flexible cable assemblies. And if this isn't a main panel without the benefit of a main disconnect, can someone explain the bond between ground and neutral?

Looks like quite a mess!

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