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how true is this? Anothetr rip off? #168500 09/06/07 04:48 PM
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Niko Offline OP
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=bIdVeUS2i_M

I am very skepticle, how about you?

Do you think the claim is valid?

Thanks
Edward


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Re: how true is this? Anothetr rip off? [Re: Niko] #168502 09/06/07 05:51 PM
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steve ancient apprentice Offline
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Show me a months use with this thing. Demand is demand dont see how you can control demand

Re: how true is this? Anothetr rip off? [Re: steve ancient apprentice] #168514 09/06/07 10:52 PM
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Another snake-oil merchant. There seem to be quite a few these days. "Just watch my magic meter and see how much money it can save you". This one seems to work by filtering out the startup surges that occur when appliances such as refrigerators, air conditioning compressors and other motor-driven things turn on. As if this would save the consumer anything at all. A waste of money.


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Re: how true is this? Anothetr rip off? [Re: Paulusgnome] #168516 09/07/07 08:33 AM
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Whenever there is a surge in concern about a certain everyday cost, such as gasoline or electrical power, products like this pop up to cater to that concern. Do a web search for "gasoline saver" and you'll find similar fringe products.

Capitalism baby!

If all the brain power that goes into coming up with these combined products was put into real solutions, we'd have one really cool product out there that would save us all a ton of money!

If the product maker really thinks it works, they should give away a couple hundred of them and let the word get around. Now there is a marketing strategy!

Re: how true is this? Anothetr rip off? [Re: Zapped] #168553 09/08/07 01:00 PM
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The only thing that this can address is power factor and demand as would have been alluded to by the reference to spikes.
Is power factor a real issue with a home? I have never seen any studies or concerns as to it being an issue.
Current spikes? I would imagine that there are quite a few. But what percentage of the overall power used do spikes represent? I would conclude that it would be insignificant at best.
And demand certainly isn't an issue with residential power like it would be in an industrial complete where you are kicked up a notch if your power demand exceeds a given level.
So one must conclude that this is a more modern version of a snake oil salesman.

Re: how true is this? Anothetr rip off? [Re: Dave T] #168554 09/08/07 03:29 PM
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There's also a demonstration video that goes along with this sales video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XX84iJ-xAgE
(There's also a version in Tagalog)

"Just like in your home"
I wonder just how many people have an 8 Amp "brush motor" in their home.

PT Barnum would have loved this capacitor drenched in snake oil. - "There's a sucker born every minute"
Besides the salesman says he's in California, so I wouldn't believe a word he says laugh






Re: how true is this? Anothetr rip off? [Re: electure] #168564 09/09/07 01:26 PM
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Here's a quote of what I tried to post to the youtube message board for the x-power site.

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This is nothing but a power correction capacitor- it may reduce peak current as measured on a clamp ammeter, but is going to do NOTHING to reduce overall power consumption as measured on a typical residential home kWh meter.

Marketing this towards industrial users who have more complex meters and are charged per power factor is one thing, but marketing this for home use on the claims that it will reduce electric bills is completely fraudulent.

SURPRISE, he moderates comments. Guess my comment there isn't going to show up, nor are anyone else's.

Re: how true is this? Anothetr rip off? [Re: electure] #168566 09/09/07 04:14 PM
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I have just had an email from an irritated seller of the X-Power snake-oil machine after I tried to post a comment on his video on youtube.

I Quote : "Hi,
I am not sure you understand how you determine kWh.
Here is the Formula: KWH = Amps X volts / 1,000 X estimated hours.

Amps is a definite part of the kWh equation.

Do your reseach please before making such claims in apublic forum. And please look at the electric bills at www.xpowertechnology.com/testimonies.html

Notice that the kWh is reduced on the bills.

Sincerely
Bill Wynne
646-290-9339 (more) (less)".

I have responded with a correction to his formula.

I urge other forum members, particularly US-based members, to get onto youtube and comment in these videos :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JCj4rVoAPM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX84iJ-xAgE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHsfZmzhmG0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AhEzmpiLUI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv7hayXSKRc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwBayX1Dibc

With any sort of effort, these scam artists will shut up shop and stop preying on the ignorance of innocent people.

Last edited by Paulusgnome; 09/09/07 04:21 PM. Reason: Spelling correction

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Re: how true is this? Anothetr rip off? [Re: electure] #168569 09/09/07 04:38 PM
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SteveFehr Offline
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I expect I'll soon get a reply like Paul did.


Re: how true is this? Anothetr rip off? [Re: SteveFehr] #168570 09/09/07 05:02 PM
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SteveFehr Offline
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I just recieved a reply to my youtube message:
Originally Posted by billwynne
You are terribly mistaken and I suggest you look at www.XpowerTechnology.com/testimonies.html

One other person felt that the Xpower would not alter kWh based on the "assumption" that amps had nothing to do with kWh.

The guy did not know what he was talking about.

I tell you what. I will sell you an Xpower at my cost and then you can return it if it does nothing for you.

We did over a million dollars in sales last month and this company is growing.

I appreciate skeptisism but this product works.

It does more than PF correction.

Sincerely
Bill Wynne
646-290-9339

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