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plug-in relay #164976 06/15/07 06:32 PM
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togol Offline OP
my buddy "Biodiesel Man" had curbs put in at his home and somebody other than me talked him into installing ropelight in the curbs... about 400' worth of the stuff.

so I made him a little panel with the usual timer / PE and a little 8 pin relay.
the problem ???
the two ropelight circuits are a bit high.... 9A and 11A on a relay rated 10A.
I was thiking of adding a second relay and running each circuit through BOTH of the NO poles on a relay

sound stupid?

I could get a definite purpose contactor and jam it in the box ( there is a pond pump control in there too )

but I thnk the ice cubes would handle it by paralleling the feed through them.

a bit unorthodox, but it could work , right ?

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Re: plug-in relay [Re: togol] #164979 06/15/07 08:04 PM
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NJwirenut Offline
Not a good plan.

Inevitably, one set of contacts will close or open a millisecond or 2 before the other, and will erode at a much faster rate.

The best solution is a relay with properly rated contacts.

Re: plug-in relay [Re: NJwirenut] #164982 06/15/07 08:31 PM
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togol Offline OP
NJ, your taking all the fun out of this..;

Re: plug-in relay [Re: togol] #164984 06/15/07 10:00 PM
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JoeTestingEngr Offline
What about just driving the coil of an A/C control relay like this one.
You won't come close to overloading those contacts.

Re: plug-in relay [Re: JoeTestingEngr] #164986 06/15/07 10:32 PM
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gfretwell Offline
Why not a solid state relay?

Greg Fretwell
Re: plug-in relay [Re: gfretwell] #164992 06/16/07 01:41 AM
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JoeTestingEngr Offline
I thought about suggesting an SSR but a majority are 3-32 VDC control input and he doesn't need a DC supply for anything else. The AC control ones tend to be more expensive than the A/C relay that will carry more current and make sense to more people. Lastly, he can feed each string through it's own set of contacts and perhaps, separate fusing.

Greg, I knew that you would think of using an SSR just like I did. What I didn't know is if you are always reminded of SSRs in the bottom of Cartridge Module Drives, used to control spindle motors. That was the first place I encountered one back when each MB weighed more than a pound.

Re: plug-in relay [Re: togol] #164996 06/16/07 06:45 AM
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walrus Offline
You can get ice cubes with 20 amp rated contacts, maybe even 30 amp

Re: plug-in relay [Re: walrus] #164997 06/16/07 07:37 AM
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gibbonsseabee80 Offline
I would go with gfretwell's idea. At work we have systems with relays controlling small magnetic contactors. This might prevent re-work or premature failor later on. Just a suggestion. I like square d because the coil is enclosed/hidden and quiet.

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Re: plug-in relay [Re: gibbonsseabee80] #164998 06/16/07 07:49 AM
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gibbonsseabee80 Offline
Sorry I meant go with JoeTestingEngr's idea. Sorry about that Joe

Brian Gibbons
Re: plug-in relay [Re: gibbonsseabee80] #164999 06/16/07 09:51 AM
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Mountain Electrician Offline
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A SSR would be a good choice for this application since space is an issue. Crydom is good, AC/DC control with high amp output available. A Crydom A1225 has AC control, 25 Amp output, and costs between 30 and 40 bucks. When you install it, put heatsink compound between the relay and the metal backplate or box or it may not last long. Properly installed, a SSR is a great spacesaver.

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