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Service - Circa 1960 #152776
01/11/06 12:05 PM
01/11/06 12:05 PM
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Request: Upgrade electrical. Circa 1960. The label on the small enc says; Caution: shut off BOTH breakers when working on this circuit.[ dryer ckt] I think that was so considerate of the installer.

(Upgrade to 200A service was completed the following week)

Bill (learjet9)
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Re: Service - Circa 1960 #152777
01/11/06 12:26 PM
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least it's not full of 30A fuses :x


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Re: Service - Circa 1960 #152778
01/11/06 12:54 PM
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Yes, and the breaker box on the right is very interesting to say the least. "Caution" "Shut Both Breaker When Working On Circuit" "Washer" "Dryer."
NJow, could on assume that there is a 30a 120/240v 2p circuit w/neutral supplying and electric dryer and then a 120v washing machine has been supplied from it?
If so, let's think obout this. If #10 has been run, then you install a 120a outlet to the L-N with what and how?
But,then again, it does appear to be a COMMON TRIP breaker so how would you turn OFF one pole without the other?

Re: Service - Circa 1960 #152779
01/11/06 02:59 PM
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To me the breakers look newer than the enclosure, perhaps the original wasn't a common trip?

Re: Service - Circa 1960 #152780
01/11/06 03:53 PM
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i like that porcelain bushing for the doorbell transformer.

Those Wadsworth boxes are in awfully good shape, age not withstanding.

Bill: Do you have any pix of your new installation? Also, was there some kind of existing workspace problem here (spare fuses in the foreground sitting on top of something...kinda looks like an oil tank)?

Mike (mamills)

Re: Service - Circa 1960 #152781
01/11/06 08:49 PM
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Chip may be right. That is definitely a 2-pole breaker, looking at the difference between the two halves' labeling. I believe that to be either a Bryant or T&B breaker.

I was thinking that this is one of the neatest older panel installations I've seen. What catches my eye is the poor cable-clamp installation on the 10-3; the newest part. [Linked Image]


Larry Fine
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Re: Service - Circa 1960 #152782
01/11/06 09:11 PM
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what's that box under the fuse panel?


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Re: Service - Circa 1960 #152783
01/12/06 08:27 AM
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I was only there for about 20 min. I'm told that Washer/dryer is a [real] 2P C/B that feeds the 220V dryer AND the 120V washer. They tapped one of the dryer legs and used the grounding conductor as the neutral. Unfortunately I never got back to take after photos. The sm Wadsworth box is 2 more fused ckts. You can see where they are tapped onto the buss just under the pull-out. It was in great condition and the neatest older service I have ever seen. I'll find out if the elec took after photo's.
Bill

Re: Service - Circa 1960 #152784
01/12/06 08:31 AM
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Mike ~ That is a 275 gal oil tank you see. I beleive this was installed after the service.
Bill

Re: Service - Circa 1960 #152785
01/12/06 11:09 AM
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Bill: Looking at this service again, what did they use for a neutral to the buss at the bottom? The only thing I can see in the pic is what appears to be a large uninsulated solid conductor on the left side. All the others look pretty small.

I have seen panels like this with main conductors connected a couple of different ways. That shown in the pix appears to be the most common (and what the manufacturer had in mind, by the label on the door). I have also seen the main conductors attached to the lugs between the fuse pullout and the plug fuse section, and the pullout used for a stove - no main disconnect and quite a heavy load for a 60amp-rated panel [Linked Image].

Mike(mamills)

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