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#134304 11/03/02 01:49 PM
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No, these are not allowed here since it lets you put a grounded appliance without being connected to the ground.
I can't see for sure but it looks like your plug will not fit in a grounded socket here.
Why then 45°. Why not 90°? Like this one:
[Linked Image from catalog.geindustrial.com]

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#134305 11/03/02 02:04 PM
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I can't see for sure but it looks like your plug will not fit in a grounded socket here.

Correct. It will fit a grounded schuko socket with some force, as the moulded plug is slightly flexible. This will destroy the grounding of the socket, though. Therefore, the Belgian sockets are safer.

I've just sent the Swedish Electric Safety Authorities a stern e-mail where I point out to them that they are lagging way behind rest of the world. Among a lot of things I asked them to make the above ungrounded extensions illegal.

The 90° have begun to make their mark here. Take them apart and I think you will find that you need more copper (or is it brass?) to build a 90° than a 45° socket. (Haven't taken a 90° apart yet, but I intend to some day)

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#134306 11/03/02 02:13 PM
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Geez, I thought ungrounded extensions were available only in hungary!
Also I've never seen ungrounded extension strips like this!
Guess a shopping trip to Sweden is on my schedule!

#134307 11/03/02 02:24 PM
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We have also find these types here: [Linked Image from catalog.geindustrial.com]

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It can get messy with 9 or 10-way extension strips:

[Linked Image from i.kth.se]

This brings me to another question: What is the rating of the little flat Euro-plug in Belgium and Austria? (Here it's 2.5A, but I know it's more in other countries)

Tex: What are you going to use the ungrounded strips for? Do you as a central-european [Linked Image] have any knowledge of the systems and plugs used in Hungary, Czechia etc.?

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#134309 11/03/02 03:00 PM
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Here it's also 2.5A. I've never seen 9way extension strips here!

#134310 11/03/02 03:09 PM
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Euro plugs are rated 2.5A here too. However, I've seen 1200W hairdryers with a Europlug.
The 9way strip is exactly what my computer is plugged into, only mine is black.
Hungary has Schuko plugs and now standard European color codes, used to have black/grey/red. Hungary is the only country I know having used aluminum in residential work, apart from the US. (I once took apart an old system that was all wired with 1.5 mm2 aluminum wire in conduit, don't know the ampacity, the panel was long gone. However, there were ground wires everywhere.)
Czech republic, Slovakia and Poland use French style plugs.

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BTW, we have adaptors allowing one Schuko receptacle to take 3 Euro plugs. However, they're built so cheap that they'd also take old ungrounded plugs.
They come in various colors, Kopp brand, no approvals (OVE, VDE or else).
Italian receptacles also take old round plugs.

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>BTW, we have adaptors allowing one Schuko
>receptacle to take 3 Euro plugs. However,
>they're built so cheap that they'd also
>take old ungrounded plugs.

How the h**k do you do that? We have 2, 3 and 4-way splitters, but they sure don't take anything but Euro-plugs. (But we also have ungrounded splitters designed to take all plugs, of course.)

How 'bout Hungary and grounding? Are Schukos common?

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#134313 11/04/02 09:59 AM
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Simple. They have almost flat faces with six holes, taking 3 plugs in avertical row. Size and shape like a Schuko outlet with faceplate. Lowest plug goes slightly downwards, middle plug is straight horizontal, upper one points upwards. Top and bottom position won't take a round plug because the face isn't flat, but the middle one does.
I don't have seen many houses, but even older ones that were wired prior to the 1970ies had red ground wires and Schuko receptacles everywhere.
In one of those houses I found the most creative piece of 5-way switching I've ever seen. Dining room in a small castle has 4 doors. One switch per door, 2 switches at one of the doors. 4 wall sconces. I don't have even the slightest idea how this was wired, but it enabled you to either switch on 3 lights, 1 light or all 4, but only if some of the switches were on and others off, and if some switches were off it was impossible to switch on the lights from any other point of the room. Complete chaos.

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