ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Shout Box
Recent Posts
Welded Copper Connections
by gfretwell. 04/19/19 04:46 PM
Norwegian power?
by dsk. 04/19/19 10:29 AM
Israel
by annemarie1. 04/18/19 02:35 PM
Water heater calculationsSo when I count calculati
by watersparkfalls. 04/13/19 12:43 PM
Health Canada Electric Construction heaters recall
by dougwells. 04/12/19 01:22 AM
New in the Gallery:
What is this for?
Plug terminals
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 11 guests, and 6 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Dimmer type? #129185
09/25/04 08:39 AM
09/25/04 08:39 AM
S
shortcircuit  Offline OP
Member
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 610
massachusetts
I have a low voltage recessed light with a magnetic transformer and low voltage undercabinet lighting with electronic transformers connected to the same switch.
What type of dimmer will work in this situation?

shortcircuit

Tools for Electricians:
Re: Dimmer type? #129186
09/25/04 12:47 PM
09/25/04 12:47 PM
L
lrsilvas  Offline
Junior Member
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 4
PLEASANT HILL , CA
HI, WELL YOU CAN USE ANY KIND OF 120 VOLTS DIMMER THAT IS NOT JUST FOR INCANDESCENT , YOU NEED A DIMMER READY TO BE USED WITH INDUCTIVE LOADS, THE DIMMER SAYS IN THE BOX IF IS READY TO BE USED WITH INDUCTIVE LOADS OR WITH TRANSFORMERS OR IF IT SAYS JUST RESISTANCE LOADS ( INCANDESCENTS ) JUT CHECK IF IT SAYS YOU CAN USE WITH TRANSFORMERS ( A TRANSFORMER IS AN INDUCTIVE LOAD ) AND YOU ARE READY, BE AWARE THE DIMMER CONTROLS THE HIGH VOLTAGE ( 120 ) VOLTS OR PRIMARY OF THE TRANSFORMER , THE OUT OF THE TRANSFORMER IS ALWAYS CONNECTED STRAIGHT TO THE BULBS, NEVER THROUGH A DIMMER ( EXCEPT IN INDUSTRIAL OR ESPECIAL CONDITIONS FOR TELEVISION, THEATERS OR OTHERS )BUT NEVER FOR RESIDENTIAL ANY QUESTION JUST LET ME KNOW

LUIS SILVA SANTISTEBAN

(Company Name and Contact info removed)

[This message has been edited by Webmaster (edited 09-26-2004).]


LUIS SILVA SANTISTEBAN
CALIFORNIA GENERAL BUILDING AND ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR 770370 HIC
MEMBER OF BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU
925 705 0856
Re: Dimmer type? #129187
09/26/04 03:11 AM
09/26/04 03:11 AM
Scott35  Offline
Broom Pusher and
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 2,720
Anaheim, CA. USA
Read the Instructions / Specifications which came with the Fixtures, as they typically will have information as to the type of Dimmers to use
(but not always... [Linked Image]...).

Normally, when Dimming something with an Electronic Ballasting / Power Supply device, the basic "Simple" Incandescent type Dimmers will work.
When it comes to Dimming a Low Voltage Lamp (such as an MR-16, 12 Volt), driven by an Isolated Transformer mounted on the Fixture, then the "Electronic" type Dimmers need to be used.

Consult the Manufacturer, or check out different Dimmers' Specifications, and apply as suggested.

Scott35

BTW, had to purchase a 600 Watt Dimmer, to be used with 277 VAC x 12 VAC Transformer driven MR-16 Lamps.
This one was made by Lutron, and cost around $120.00! [Linked Image]


Scott " 35 " Thompson
Just Say NO To Green Eggs And Ham!
Re: Dimmer type? #129188
09/30/04 11:38 PM
09/30/04 11:38 PM
Scott35  Offline
Broom Pusher and
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 2,720
Anaheim, CA. USA
shortcircuit,

What's the outcome of this Dimmer situation?

Just very curious to how the scenario was/will be resolved.

Scott35


Scott " 35 " Thompson
Just Say NO To Green Eggs And Ham!
Re: Dimmer type? #129189
10/01/04 09:47 PM
10/01/04 09:47 PM
S
shortcircuit  Offline OP
Member
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 610
massachusetts
Hi Scott35...not sure which dimmer to use yet.This is something that I roughed in and haven't finished yet.
I thought there was dimmers for standard incandescent lights,dimmers for low voltage magnetic type transformers and dimmers for low voltage electronic type transformers,each specifically designed for its particular use.
I have one Halo H1499 recessed light(MR16 50watt bulb) with a magnetic trans and two Kichler under cabinet xenon(18 watt x 3) LV light strips with electronic transformers and I'm not sure which dimmer will work properly.

shortcircuit

Re: Dimmer type? #129190
10/04/04 09:51 PM
10/04/04 09:51 PM
Scott35  Offline
Broom Pusher and
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 2,720
Anaheim, CA. USA
El' Circuito De Shorto (shortcircuit),

For the Magnetic Transformer driven Lamps (used with the Halo Fixtures / MR16 Lamps), the "Electronic" type Dimmer is the Commonly used Animal.

For the Kichler LV Strips with the "Electronic Transformers", the "Standard Incandescent" type Dimmer is the Commonly used Animal.

Verify this per Manufacturer of Fixtures and / or Dimmers. They will be more accurate than what I am explaining - and may offer actual Part Numbers + Prices!
[Linked Image]

Scott35

BTW, Halo has Spec Sheets in .PDF which may be even more helpful.

[Linked Image]


Scott " 35 " Thompson
Just Say NO To Green Eggs And Ham!
Re: Dimmer type? #129191
10/04/04 11:29 PM
10/04/04 11:29 PM
Trumpy  Offline

Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,260
SI,New Zealand
I'd imagine that you'd just about be able to get away with using any sort of Trailing Edge Dimmer.
Just as long as the VA rating of the dimmer was above the collective VA rating of the W/W transformer and the Input VA rating of the Electronic transformer.
I'd also add a small safety margin to the final VA rating of the dimmer, as a precaution. [Linked Image]

Re: Dimmer type? #129192
01/24/05 05:54 PM
01/24/05 05:54 PM
S
shortcircuit  Offline OP
Member
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 610
massachusetts
I made a phone call to Lutron technical assistance(800-523-9466) and they said...

I must use a "magnetic" type dimmer for dimming incandescent lighting with magnetic transformers.

I must use a "electronic" type dimmer for dimming incandescent lighting with solid state electronic transformers.

So since I wired both types of lighting to the same switch...there isn't a dimmer for this purpose.I'll have to cut in another switch to seperate the 2 loads.

shortcircuit


Featured:

2017 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2017 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
sbi
sbi
indiana
Posts: 47
Joined: March 2008
Show All Member Profiles 
Top Posters(30 Days)
Popular Topics(Views)
254,459 Are you busy
190,701 Re: Forum
180,413 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1
(Release build 20180101)
Page Time: 0.031s Queries: 14 (0.006s) Memory: 0.9960 MB (Peak: 1.1580 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2019-04-20 07:07:22 UTC