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#124791 12/16/06 11:36 PM
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College campus in DC. This defines "floating" neutral. Will be fixed next week.

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#124792 12/18/06 04:08 PM
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I don't like the look of this at all. [Linked Image]

#124793 12/18/06 04:42 PM
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???? Whaa????? [Linked Image]

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#124794 12/18/06 09:37 PM
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I'm having a bit of trouble getting a grip on pic#1 , on the right side, the silver tab behind the neutral that a line lug? Or the support post for the deadfront?

And if not, if it is as I think it appears to be, just the support for the neutral bus, why didn't the OP simply put a nut driver on the screws on the spot and fix it? I don't mean to be rude and I hope no one takes what I just said that way, but I think something's missing in the info on this one...

I do agree that it is indeed a big problem though, that floating bus will eventually get in trouble... [Linked Image]

[This message has been edited by mxslick (edited 12-18-2006).]

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#124795 12/20/06 04:40 AM
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From the appearance of the treads on the screws thay dont seem to be an \electrical connection -just the neutral bar dangling there. (Physicaly Floating)

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#124796 12/20/06 06:26 AM
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If this is a 120 / 240 V supply the risk exists of overvoltages on the lighter loaded circuits when the load on the two phases is unbalanced.

Why couldn't it get fixed immidiately even with a temporary jumper to the mains POCO neutral ?

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#124797 12/20/06 08:11 AM
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There is a AL neutral visable in both pics. so the neutral bar is just dangling but "functioning".

#124798 12/20/06 06:35 PM
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Ok, this is Gould/ITE panel installed in '79. The silver tab behind is a plastic mount/isolater with the plastic threads stripped out. That is why it could not be bolted back with the existing hardware. Now that the semester is over the panel will be de-energized and everything bolted and nutted back in place.

The neutral bar is indeed floating and functioning. It was also in direct contact with the dead front so if the paint was to wear off there would a parallel bond in violation of NEC (250.30 I think).

[This message has been edited by VAElec (edited 12-21-2006).]

#124799 12/21/06 12:54 AM
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Thank you for the explanation. [Linked Image] It now makes perfect sense to me. [Linked Image]

From the pics it was hard to tell that the plastic was part of the support and isolation of the bus, and thank you for understanding that my question wasn't meant to offend. [Linked Image]

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