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More Sloppy Work #123741
05/03/06 09:51 PM
05/03/06 09:51 PM
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This slop job is right outside of Philly in Ridley Park. A builder called me and asked if I could help him finish this house. The EC closed his business and stuck him.

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Re: More Sloppy Work #123742
05/04/06 02:03 PM
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Wharton, Texas, USA
Where do you start to criticize something like this (and mind you, I'm not an electrician):
- What is the reason for all the holes punched in the ceiling? Clumsy footwork, bad initial placement of the ceiling cans, etc.?
- What's wrong with having two switches that are so close together mounted on a two-gang plaster ring, rather than separate boxes (and, as it appears, not even at the same height)?
- The sloppy, unsecured home runs to the breaker panel, and even the wiring inside it, have all the appearance of a poor temporary job at best. We have seen on this forum how neatly this work CAN be done by someone who cares about his workmanship. I see numerous white wires connected to breakers without being re-identified, and the panel itself seems awfully full for a new home, with very little room left for future additions. While this is a small thing, the installation of the service receptacle without using a close nipple or an offset really looks cheap.
- I don't know much about the service entrance cable from the meter to the panel inside, but using conduit in this space seems a much better choice, and probably a lot safer. Is the main breaker in the panel, in fact, the only main disconnect, or is there one next to the meter outside?
- I don't have a table for figuring wire fill, but it's even obvious to me that this box is way over the limit. Seeing six wirenuts in this box, including one on a single white wire, makes me think that the ex-EC even did a poor job of laying out this circuit.

Mike (mamills)

Re: More Sloppy Work #123743
05/04/06 04:05 PM
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wa2ise  Offline
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Oradell NJ USA
Too many breakers in that panel, yes? I think I see 43 breakers, and if I recall correctly the code's limit is 42.

Re: More Sloppy Work #123744
05/04/06 06:09 PM
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mahlere  Offline
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New Jersey
best thing that guy did was go out of business

Re: More Sloppy Work #123745
05/04/06 06:47 PM
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I count 44 breakers. (25 on the left, including 5 twins, 19 on the right including 2 twins.)

It looks like all the white wires connected to breakers are neutrals going to GFI or AFCI devices, and their associated pigtails, with the exception of 10/2 going to the dual 30 at the bottom right.



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Re: More Sloppy Work #123746
05/04/06 08:41 PM
05/04/06 08:41 PM
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Picture #1 - He roughed for recessed lights and then he couldn't find the the wires. Why not put the housings in , in the rough?

Picture #2 - Why not a 2-gang? the switch on the right had wires in the box, but none to the switch?

Picture #3,4,5 - The builder finished the basement, he told the builder that he had to move the panel forward?

Picture #6 - 200-amp cable twisted, connectors on the meter socket were not even tightened.

Picture #7 - I count 13 conductors plus the grounds.

The basement two 3-ways and two 4-ways that did not work. He ran all of the travelers to one junction box, I counted eight 3-wires and two 2 wires in one standard 1900 box with no cover, I guess he couldn't get it on.


Hank
Re: More Sloppy Work #123747
05/04/06 11:33 PM
05/04/06 11:33 PM
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Thorp, WA, U.S.A.
does the code reference 110.12 come to anyone else's mind?


Kurtis
Re: More Sloppy Work #123748
05/05/06 08:05 AM
05/05/06 08:05 AM
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Madison, WI, USA
check out the "finished" carpentry....can you say "wood filler"!

Re: More Sloppy Work #123749
05/05/06 08:25 AM
05/05/06 08:25 AM
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NY, USA
Re: #2 It would be nice if the two switches matched.

Bill

Re: More Sloppy Work #123750
05/05/06 05:11 PM
05/05/06 05:11 PM
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steve ancient apprentice  Offline
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west springfield,mass
Saw too many breakers in the panel first off. Panel is a mess and the rest of the work is shoddy at best. As I usually say yuck what a mess!!

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