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Good/Bad #122404
11/03/05 07:28 PM
11/03/05 07:28 PM
electure  Offline
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 4,279
Fullerton, CA USA
From renosteinke

So, which is it? Good? or Bad?

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Re: Good/Bad #122405
11/03/05 07:43 PM
11/03/05 07:43 PM
Trumpy  Offline

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,260
SI,New Zealand
Is it good or is it bad,that's the question.
I'd have to go with the latter, after all, how much can a "Real Estate Executive" know about good wiring practice?.

Re: Good/Bad #122406
11/03/05 08:04 PM
11/03/05 08:04 PM
trollog  Offline
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 276
San Diego California USA
Hope the power was off.. This really does make me wonder about the soundness of the idea behind H for H and other charity groups that go to 3rd world countries and do this sort of thing... but then again you are not as likely to be sued for defects in a house you build in Mexico, either... My vote is for "bad". Most real estate types are mechanincally over-challenged when you pass the point of changing a lightbulb anyway...

Re: Good/Bad #122407
11/03/05 09:18 PM
11/03/05 09:18 PM
livetoride  Offline
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 109
san diego ca usa
From what I have heard there are real electricians to supervise and the volunteers are taught how to do the task at hand; drill holes here, pull wire like this to here, get this tool for me, make the switches like this etc.,like a green helper. Rod

Re: Good/Bad #122408
11/03/05 09:32 PM
11/03/05 09:32 PM
Electricmanscott  Offline
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,457
Holden, MA USA
Based on the description, bad.

Re: Good/Bad #122409
11/04/05 06:28 AM
11/04/05 06:28 AM
Steve Miller  Offline
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 329
Bruceton Mills, WV
It's both. Good for the "system" because the house gets built cheaper but bad for the poor licensed electrician who has to supervise the job, repair all the mess ups and take liability for the whole thing. The newspaper never sees the guy who spends 40 hrs correcting what the execs did in 10.

Re: Good/Bad #122410
11/04/05 07:27 AM
11/04/05 07:27 AM
Dnkldorf  Offline
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,064
nowhere usa
I am on the "Depends" side.

If this is bad, because of the potential lack of knoweledge of the agents doing the wiring, then this poses the question about Jimmy Carter doing framing for these houses?

And Jon Bon Jovi was recently featured building Habitat homes for Hurricane victims.

What do they know about this, probably nothing.

So, my conclusion would be, with the appropriate supervision and oversite, practicly anyone could do anything.

When you factor in that this is for a good cause, in the end, this could be a really good thing.


Re: Good/Bad #122411
11/04/05 08:20 AM
11/04/05 08:20 AM
IanR  Offline
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 328
Palm Bay FL USA
It is not really as bad as some think.
I worked a habitat for humanity house with my church a few years back. The laymen weren't allowed to do major electrical work. No service entrance orlarge loads like A/C and the like. They were allowed to wire light fittings, switches and outlets, nothing major. They were all showed how to do it and the work WAS thoroughly inspected after wards. In my experience they didn't do too bad. You did have to look at them a little more closely. But, it was no big deal.

Re: Good/Bad #122412
11/04/05 03:34 PM
11/04/05 03:34 PM
renosteinke  Offline
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Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,316
Blue Collar Country
We had a thread not so long ago about "qualified help." The Three Stooges were used to illustrate the principle.

No matter how you slice it, "real estate executives" are not "qualified help." No matter how good their intentions, they have no business even as "the dumb end of the shovel."

Do you think, that for even one minute, they considered letting a well-intentioned electrician handle the sale of the house? Well, their objections apply to their own doing electrical work.

Ours is a trade that takes time, brains, and expereince to master. There are lives, and property, at stake. Nor is it the job of the inspector to check every detail- which is why many places restrict who may do "electrical work."

You can be sure that "Habitat" uses real archetects and structural engineers in their plans. There is no excuse for not using real electricians. The poor deserve better.

Re: Good/Bad #122413
11/04/05 04:04 PM
11/04/05 04:04 PM
LoneWolf  Offline
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Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 7
Dont bash H for H Scouts Can makes me do 48h of volenteer work I do mine with H for H .... but Real Estate Executives i do have a problem with

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