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More Creativity in Grounding #121778
08/22/05 06:27 PM
08/22/05 06:27 PM
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Now they're Teaming Up! Electrician/Plumber cooperation at its finest.

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Re: More Creativity in Grounding #121779
08/22/05 07:18 PM
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Scott, youre getting as good as I used to be at finding strangeness... I can understand a plumber being cool with us and putting a waterline out for us to bond, but I'd think a cap would be favorable to the hosebib on the end... [Linked Image]

Re: More Creativity in Grounding #121780
08/22/05 09:38 PM
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THERE HAS TO BE A VIOLATION HERE,PROBABLY A PLUMBING WIOLATION TO HAVE A WATER SPICKET ABOVE ELECTRICAL EQUIPTMENT


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Re: More Creativity in Grounding #121781
08/22/05 10:18 PM
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NORCAL  Online Content
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The hose bibb is there so some poor soul can wash down the switchboard. [Linked Image] [Linked Image]

Re: More Creativity in Grounding #121782
08/23/05 01:00 PM
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at least there's a bib on it to stop the grounded electricity from leaking out...and the handle is green indicating a grounded faucet.

Where in the code DOES it indicate size of water pipe necessary to stick your ground...... Something seems funny here.

RSlater,
RSmike

Re: More Creativity in Grounding #121783
08/23/05 07:06 PM
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A more serious thought, why couldnt the plumber have used a ball valve and pipe plug? That way some poor fool cant flood the place.

Re: More Creativity in Grounding #121784
08/23/05 07:50 PM
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Doesn't it strike you as ironic that the "Type 1 Enclosure" label is directly under the hose bib.
NEMA 3 req. comes to mind!!

Re: More Creativity in Grounding #121785
08/23/05 10:11 PM
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There's no minimum or maximum pipe size in NEC 250.52(A)(1) nor is there a material specified, only that it be "metallic".

[Linked Image] The clamp thingamajig is pretty creative, too [Linked Image]

Many inspectors in this area won't accept a capped pipe as part of the Grounding Electrode, because it may contain only trapped air. As lame as this thing looks, it might have been done in response to a correction notice.

Can a plumber put a hose bibb indoors with no drain?

Re: More Creativity in Grounding #121786
08/24/05 12:38 AM
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I think the plumber did this grounding himself after demo of what that ground was connected to. Or, the electrician should have been a plumber.


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Re: More Creativity in Grounding #121787
08/24/05 01:44 AM
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Many inspectors in this area won't accept a capped pipe as part of the Grounding Electrode, because it may contain only trapped air.


And they do this, why??--It's the pipe that conducts electricity; water is actually a rather poor conductor. It conducts enough for the few milliamps it takes to kill someone in a bathroom accident, but not enough to seriously be considered as part of the grounding.

In fact, pure distilled water is actually a reasonably good insulator.

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