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Just curious, would you guys say that Receptacle in the first picture violates 406.8(C) ?

Bill

Yes, Bill, and maybe 406.8(B)(2), but, certainly 406.8(C). "406.8(C) Bathtub and Shower Space. A receptacle shall not be installed within a bathtub or shower space."

Even guessing that there is no shower in the tub space, does an imiganary line project vertically upward from the outermost edge of the surround (or the tub/spa itself?)?

Would this be classified a wet location?

If there is no shower head is it at least a damp location?

Would 404.4 (Switches...wet locations...) apply?

Woops, I can't spell. Should be imaginary in previous post.

Second pic is just nasty!!

Are the fire alarm modules secured in place like that, or are they just piled atop one another? It sure looks like they are not secured.

Has to be something in Art. 760 (2002NEC) about that. Do not general wiring methods apply to fire alarrm circuits, too?

BP,

Personally, I would never put a switch or receptacle in the location pictured.

Playing Devil's Advocate here ... I like clear-cut rules, but we have no definition of bathtub or shower space. Where does it start?

Clearance from Pools and Hot Tubs gets measured starting at the inside walls. If that's the case here the Receptacle might just be outside the 'space'

Bill

For pic #2 ,I think I won't dare using that FA panel to "silence" the room for a show with fog/smoke/pyrotechnics. It's a total mess.

Bill, wouldn't 410-4(D) be your definition of shower/bathtub space? I would say the light in pic #1 is hanging below the 8' mark. Pic # 2 is just crazy. I can't beleive that panel is active!!

trekkie76,

I agree the chandelier shouldn't be there, no question about that. I don't think the Switch and Receptacle should be there either, but I'm just picking on words (or the lack of them) here. Article 410 is for Luminaires, not receptacles and there is no specific definition of 'Bathtub or Shower space' there either.

The area talked about in 410.4(D) is within a zone measured .... horizontally and vertically from "the top of the Bathtub rim or shower stall threshold" This doesn't seem clear to me either. I can understand where the vertical measurement starts, but not the horizontal measurement. If it was the 'outside edge' or the 'inside wall' (or similar language) it would be more specific and understandable.

For argument's sake, what do the lines in the following picture represent?




Bill

Oh, it's a BATHTUB...

From where I was looking, I thought it was a SINK with vanity and backsplash!!!

I was wondering what the big deal was about the switch until someone mentioned "bathtub".

Sven,
If that was a Sink, you'd hit your head on the light fitting when you washed your hands.