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Holey Panel #119047
11/26/04 08:22 AM
11/26/04 08:22 AM
electure  Offline
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(Courtesy of Joe Tedesco)


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Re: Holey Panel #119048
11/26/04 04:16 PM
11/26/04 04:16 PM
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Gotta love the "ample" wire bending space in these panels. [Linked Image]

How did this junk ever get listed?

(Panel maker's name omitted to protect the guilty.)


Stupid should be painful.
Re: Holey Panel #119049
11/26/04 06:56 PM
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Are those scorch marks I see on the bottom right-hand corner?

I'd love to know the brand of the panel, that way we know to avoid buying it!

Re: Holey Panel #119050
11/26/04 10:05 PM
11/26/04 10:05 PM
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Holey Panel & Holy Smoke [Linked Image]

Re: Holey Panel #119051
11/26/04 11:50 PM
11/26/04 11:50 PM
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NORCAL  Offline
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How did this stuff ever get listed? Look at Zinsco and then ask the same question.

Re: Holey Panel #119052
11/27/04 12:00 AM
11/27/04 12:00 AM
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alan bergold  Offline
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east meadow ny
looks like the cement slab below sunk causing the fittings to pull out of the enclosure , common on long island usually 2-3 years after the pour..


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Re: Holey Panel #119053
11/27/04 12:40 AM
11/27/04 12:40 AM
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NoShorts4Me  Offline
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Looks like a GE All-In-One. Atleast thats what those slim "mini's" lead me to believe.
But the bottom 2 pole is a Cutler Hammer.

Re: Holey Panel #119054
11/27/04 02:22 AM
11/27/04 02:22 AM
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NORCAL  Offline
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It is GE, full of stinkn' twins too.

Re: Holey Panel #119055
11/27/04 08:15 AM
11/27/04 08:15 AM
electure  Offline
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So, how much wire bending space is required? In the '99 NEC, it's determined by Table 373-6(a)

Only 1-1/2" is required for the size of conductors here if they're #8 or #6, 2" if a #4 or#3. This provides that and more.
That's how it gets listed.
(BTW, these surface enclosures are basically the same design as the semi-flush version, made to fit in the space of a normal 16"OC stud bay)


As for the twin C/B's, these GE combination services are listed for their use, and I've not personally ever had to replace one that's burned up like a Zinsco.

The problem here was not the manufacturer,but the installer that slapped in the 1" PVC without a locknut (it would have pulled the concentric KO out if there was one), and wasn't careful about how he routed his wire to the C/B that really doesn't belong in this panel.(Besides being not listed for the purpose) The GE's have a little cross tab on the bus, and I don't think a CH has the slot to accept it. They won't stab on the bus all the way, so some guys just break off the cross-tabs, throw them in and use the deadfront to hold them in place.

Everything was probably fine until this Turkeylips came along [Linked Image]
Maybe a pool/spa installer that "does it all"?




[This message has been edited by electure (edited 11-27-2004).]

Re: Holey Panel #119056
11/27/04 11:41 AM
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capt al  Offline
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Norton, Ma USA
turkeylips ??? Thats a new one for me. It is fitting though as that Cutler-Hammer 2 pole does not belong there. Also expansion fittings would have worked nicely in this installation. We use them in the northeast due to frost heaving the ground.

Al

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