ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
ShoutChat Box
Recent Posts
Happy Thanksgiving
by electure - 11/26/20 08:45 AM
Ground fault remover :-)
by NORCAL - 11/26/20 08:13 AM
Work Gloves?
by sabrown - 11/25/20 01:54 PM
Insulated Tools: A Waste of Money?
by sabrown - 11/25/20 01:52 PM
What does your work place look like?
by Lostazhell - 11/25/20 02:56 AM
New in the Gallery:
Facebook follies, bad wiring
FPE in Germany pt.2
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 15 guests, and 18 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Non-Permitted Addition #118425 09/12/04 09:41 PM
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 3,632
Admin Offline OP
Administrator
Member
Quote
I was asked to come out and install a new range circuit and these are a few of the other items I pointed out to the customer while giving him a price. I'll send more soon.

Non permitted addition was built up to existing meter. Meter is @ 7' + above ground.
[Linked Image]
Quote
Ground clamps used to tap conductors for addition.
[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Quote
Panel in addition:
(This was the panel I would have used to feed a new range) Since he did not want to make any of the necessary repairs to the panel or the taps I declined doing any of the work.

- Bill Robertson
[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

Tools for Electricians:
Re: Non-Permitted Addition #118426 09/12/04 11:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 41
N
necbuff Offline
Member
Picky, picky, picky........ Just buggin, Good for you. If more electricians would refuse to work half-butted then maybe we would have better installs out there. Sad thing is SOMEONE will do it!!! and probably cheap.. I think you are good for the trade. More people should stand their ground..


Kenny Wilee
Re: Non-Permitted Addition #118427 09/13/04 02:13 AM
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,876
E
e57 Offline
Member
I wouldn't want my name associated with that liablity either. I wouldn't want anyone else's name to be either. Pic's #2 and #3 are a neutral loss fire soon. No place to start but over.


Mark Heller
"Well - I oughta....." -Jackie Gleason
Re: Non-Permitted Addition #118428 09/13/04 08:44 AM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 745
M
mamills Offline
Member
Now this is interesting. I've never heard of "daisy-chaining" grounds before [Linked Image] - must be a new technique. In that main disco, double-lugging would be a vast improvement over the clamps [Linked Image].

Bad, bad homeowner!! I would be willing to suspect that he will eventually install his own range circuit. It would be interesting to see how THAT turns out.

Bill, you get two points for declining this job, and protecting yourself from liability/future litigation. The main thing that bothers me is...I hope young children don't live here [Linked Image].

Mike (mamills)

Re: Non-Permitted Addition #118429 09/13/04 10:19 AM
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 122
W
wirewiz Offline
Member
Mike,
You and I can both sleep well for now! No one else but the homeowner lived there. He inherited the house from his father. Their are a number of other issues on the property besides this. I was very clear to him with the potential hazards his response was, "It has been like this for a few years" My guess is that it will stay that way until it fails.
Bill

Re: Non-Permitted Addition #118430 09/15/04 04:49 PM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,143
D
DougW Offline
Member
The parents of those little ground clamps must so proud of their babies doing such important work as actually carrying power!

I bet the manufacturer would be impressed. Maybe you should e-mail them a link!

Further proof that, while there may be a limit to human genius, stupidity continues forth unbounded.


Featured:

2020 National Electrical Code
2020 National Electrical
Code (NEC)

* * * * * * *

2020 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2020 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
Grover
Grover
Sebago, ME, USA
Posts: 109
Joined: January 2005
Show All Member Profiles 
Top Posters(30 Days)
Trumpy 9
Popular Topics(Views)
271,961 Are you busy
205,849 Re: Forum
193,925 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3