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Gas Station Ice Machine #116778 04/23/04 07:16 PM
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iwire Offline OP
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All I can say is this was out in the pouring rain, no GFCI and questionable if it is grounded.

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[This message has been edited by iwire (edited 04-23-2004).]


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Re: Gas Station Ice Machine #116779 04/23/04 08:32 PM
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HEY!!!! I do believe that is "self grounding" duct tape. [Linked Image]

Re: Gas Station Ice Machine #116780 04/23/04 10:59 PM
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The self-grounding duct-tape only works without the plastic bushing! [Linked Image]

-Randy

Re: Gas Station Ice Machine #116781 04/25/04 08:13 AM
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Bob,
How far away from the dispensers are these?

Re: Gas Station Ice Machine #116782 04/25/04 09:23 AM
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iwire Offline OP
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Good question and I did not even think of that.

This is a typical self serve place with a large awning covering the pumps and a small cash booth in the center.

This ice machine is on the back side of the cash booth.

The closest pumps are no more than 15' from this piece of junk.

The outlet is about 48" above grade.

Bob

[This message has been edited by iwire (edited 04-25-2004).]


Bob Badger
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Re: Gas Station Ice Machine #116783 04/25/04 11:55 AM
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Well, at least the ground is up. [Linked Image]

steve


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Re: Gas Station Ice Machine #116784 04/25/04 12:27 PM
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Ryan_J Offline
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The recptacle might be 48" above grade, but I hope there are no electrical apparatus in the machine less than 18" above grade...spooky stuff.


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Re: Gas Station Ice Machine #116785 04/25/04 05:27 PM
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There's one by our office that is only about 3' from the dispenser. It's disturbing to see stuff like this.
Most of the soda machines here have the refrigeration mounted in the bottom area.
The thermal protector (Klixon), strapped right to the compressor, is a source of arcing.

Re: Gas Station Ice Machine #116786 04/25/04 08:53 PM
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unfortealy i did see few in my area and i am not too keen with it and one gas station have one outlet is 24 inch above the finshed grade and no gfci device in there.

That kind of set up is kinda rare in state of wisconsin but it do happend here also.

but only thing it do bother me one bit i did read the art. 514 [ 96 NEC ] that the gas pump dispisper device have 18 inches side of the pump but before you start yelling at me for a sec. but what if the gas pump dispaisner do have " bumper guard island " like raised cement island and about like 24 inches [typically] and some place i did see some gas station actally put a vending machine right above the "island " and i am not too keen with that and if any you have most recent version about the art.514 and somekind of map of where the class 1 div 2 do cover i have old map with me but i dont know if they did change it over the time?

and if any repectailes are there , if so are they must be gfci [ yeah i belive they do but what height and distance from the pump ??]

merci, marc

i hope i can find some answer here.


Pas de problme,il marche n'est-ce pas?"(No problem, it works doesn't it?)

Re: Gas Station Ice Machine #116787 04/26/04 07:46 AM
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Marc, Is this what you're looking for?


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