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What Code Rule? #113115
03/05/02 11:34 PM
03/05/02 11:34 PM
Admin  Offline
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[Linked Image]
What Code Rule?

An Electrical Inspector in Minnesota made an installer encase this service raceway in concrete in the building!

Charles Abruscato

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Re: What Code Rule? #113116
03/06/02 01:18 AM
03/06/02 01:18 AM
George Corron  Offline
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 717
Lorton, Va USA
230-70(a) covers the entrance of service cables. It gives no footage as to how far inside a building you can take the conductors, but leaves that up to each jurisdiction, some are more than others, in VA we tend to the 5 foot rule. that a fire wall with the branch circuitry run through it? 300-21 says you got away with something if so. Also BOCA code if your area adheres to that, you have to seal with fire rated equivalent materials any hole you make in the fire wall.

230-6 states that a conductor encased in 2" of concrete (or Brick) is considered outside the building so you can run it as far as you like.

These are obviously not High Voltage conductors, but if they were the "National Electrical Safety Code" offers a bit tougher standard, just for your knowledge.

1999 NEC

[This message has been edited by George Corron (edited 03-06-2002).]

Re: What Code Rule? #113117
03/06/02 10:46 PM
03/06/02 10:46 PM
Nick  Offline
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 599
Riverside, CA
By the conductor ID it looks like a corner grounded delta. Am I right? (just an observation) Is that an overcurrent device that the grounded conductor is going into? [Linked Image]

Re: What Code Rule? #113118
03/06/02 11:46 PM
03/06/02 11:46 PM
resqcapt19  Offline
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,148
You are permitted to land all three conductors of a corner grounded delta system on a breaker. See 240-22.

Re: What Code Rule? #113119
03/07/02 08:27 AM
03/07/02 08:27 AM
Redsy  Offline
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,056
Bucks County PA
I think the panel design is confusing. I believe the neutral lug only connects to the neutral bus (by running behind the line lugs).
The branch ckt. neutrals on the bus tell me that it is not a corner grounded delta. Wouldn't they have to connect to the breakers if they were serving 3 phase loads?
As Don said, grounded conductors can be attached to a breaker because it opens the ungroundeds also.
Anyone else?

[This message has been edited by Redsy (edited 03-07-2002).]

Re: What Code Rule? #113120
03/07/02 06:38 PM
03/07/02 06:38 PM
electure  Offline

Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 4,274
Fullerton, CA USA
I've never seen a Main/CB panel landed this way.
It looks like an MLO panel with the neut taped white, but in the center??
Got to admit, I've not seen an MLO panel landed this way either.
Charles, can you give us a manufacturer?? (Please) [Linked Image]

Re: What Code Rule? #113121
03/07/02 08:31 PM
03/07/02 08:31 PM
Nick  Offline
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 599
Riverside, CA
Don does it again. Can't get anything by him.

It must be single phase with a strange termination design as Redsy & Electure said.

Re: What Code Rule? #113122
03/07/02 09:50 PM
03/07/02 09:50 PM
NoShorts4Me  Offline
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 36
southern california
If I was a betting man, I'd put $50 on it being a 200 amp 120/240v single phase Square D panel.


Re: What Code Rule? #113123
03/07/02 10:26 PM
03/07/02 10:26 PM
sparky  Offline
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,360
I'm with NS4M,
looks like the GEC next to the noodle there....

Re: What Code Rule? #113124
03/07/02 11:40 PM
03/07/02 11:40 PM
wolfdog  Offline
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 135
Yep,Looks like a single phase 200 amp Square D. I hung one just like it last week. There is another ground/neutral bar on the right side of the main.

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