Thanks for the replys all I can say is I learned something new today.
Paul thanks for the correction. I got my vernier gauge out and measured the diameter of some T&E cores 1mm = 1.1mm 2.5mm = 1.7mm 6mm = 3.1mm (20 years and still making asumptions tut tut)
C-H managed to follow "AWG" and "Metric" but just could not see the point of "Circular Mils" Who uses "kcmil" as a measument?