Shockmaster, I agree with your point but it is a sad comentary on our society that before we do anything there has to be any thought as to lawsuits etc. I refuse to live that way.

Secondly at what point did UL become the king and queen of our world? The fact that they approve the garbage screws that come with fixtures makes me wonder a little bit about their credibility. What is getting by them on real issues?

I like to think that I am smart enough to figure out if a screw is safe to use or not. I don't need or want my hand held by some lab coat wearing geeks who don't have to deal with real world situations. If a person can't figure out what screw to use that person has no business hanging a fixture.

This takes us back to our sad society. Used to be a thing called "personal responsibility". That is a only a memory now as people are always looking for someone to blame. Thanks liberals.