As long as Richard knows that we are not making fun of him and we are just laughing at ourselves, then I think we should all sign up for more CEU's. It is funny, when NJ first started making EC's go for CEU's, you should hear the old timers complain. They use to say that, "I have my license, why do I need more classes?" or "Let the new guys get more education. I don't need it." or one of my favorites. "I read the code book once and got my license. Why should I look in the code book again?" As a matter of point. NJ is making the EC's go for 34 or 35 hours of CEU's before they can renew their Lic. John knows better than me because he still uses his EC's lic. and I just inspect only.