Slightly OT as I pride myself with craftsmanship however after all my hard work I am disgusted with some of the poor quality fixtures I am asked to install. Even some of the high priced junk from the lighting stores. I have a box filled with various mounting plates and straps since many times the one that comes with the fixture won't work. Plus the fixtures are so flimsy you can't get them to hold tight to the surface half the time....EOR (end of rant)