Thanks, Trumpy. Cold where you are? Its about 17 degrees here. Another thing that I have noticed on older Clipsal plugs (end of bakelite/beginning of PVC plugtops such as the old part numbers 401s, 417s 423s & early 439s)was the way the pins were made with a 'notch' in the end. was this done to save material or just a manufacturing or design 'feature'?