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walk-in refers #93889
06/22/05 05:57 PM
06/22/05 05:57 PM
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ccdave  Offline OP
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Does any one refer me to the code(s) that require rated boxes inside a freezer, waterproof or otherwise--please

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Re: walk-in refers #93890
06/22/05 06:18 PM
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Joe Tedesco  Offline
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300.7 Raceways Exposed to Different Temperatures


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Re: walk-in refers #93891
06/22/05 07:13 PM
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Roger  Offline
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Dave notice the wiring compartment of the fan unit(s) inside the cooler or freezer, they are not (atleast in my experience of wiring many) special in weather or damp proof construction.

All wiring inside the unit will (in theory) be the same and should be dry.

As Joe mentions, conduits leaving the unit will be Exposed to Different Temperatures, and will need to have a block or seal from one environment to the other.

Roger

Re: walk-in refers #93892
06/22/05 07:19 PM
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e57  Offline
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Funny things happen when conduits aren't sealed. Condensation will accululate in fixtures and conduits. Althought the fixtures and conduits may be rain-tight, or vapor proof, unless you stuff some duct-seal in the conduit, it will act as a vapor path outside the fridge. That cold air will mix with the warm air outside, and then you get a micro-weather system inside the conduit.


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Re: walk-in refers #93893
06/22/05 07:21 PM
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iwire  Offline
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Roger you bring up a good point about the fan coil units construction.

Out of tradition, habit, etc. we always feed these tin boxes with weatherproof means even though I do not think it is actually required.

I also have wired a pre-fab walk-in that was all dry location equipment. The inspector did question it but let it drop.

Personally I will stick with the weather proof stuff 'cause it looks right'. [Linked Image]

Bob



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Re: walk-in refers #93894
06/22/05 07:27 PM
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renosteinke  Offline
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Equipment must be suitable for it's location- and that, of course, isn't always clear.
Thinking back, it seems to me that every freezer/ walk-in that I've been in has shared a few construction details.
While the boxes near the fan were of the "usual" type, the light switch, when inside the unit, has been of the lever-operated weatherproof type. I think that this is am attempt to comply with NEMA standards for equipment that will operate even where there is external icing (Is that Nema-3S?)
Lights have always been enclosed- either incandescents inside "jelly jars" or fluorescent tubes inside plastic sleeves.
Wiring has always either been pipe or MC.

I can't say any of this is "required," but it does seem to be the practice. Where the freezer is used for food, the USDA and the Commerce Department (fish) have a slew of their own regulations as well. I am sure the NSF (National Sanitary Foundation) has a standard that applies.

Re: walk-in refers #93895
06/22/05 09:37 PM
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e57  Offline
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If you have ever "cleaned" a walk-in reffer, you know the best way is with a hose... The main reason for R/T, or weather proof.

The Code says it doesn't have to be explosion proof, but the raceway sealed from the conditioned to un-conditioned area. I don't think MC will cut it.


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Re: walk-in refers #93896
06/22/05 10:10 PM
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Jps1006  Offline
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Northern IL
I believe the cover bulbs around here is a health dept. requirment to prevent a broken bulb trashing lots of $$$ worth of food. You know they would likely tell them to just rinse it real good.


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