ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Top Posters(30 Days)
Potseal 11
Recent Posts
600 KW 120/208 3 Phase Y protection
by HotLine1. 07/20/17 10:44 AM
Green House wiring
by ghost307. 07/20/17 09:10 AM
1913 American Electrician's Handbook
by Potseal. 07/20/17 08:42 AM
Permit Snafus...AHJs and Contractors Jump in
by HotLine1. 07/18/17 08:06 PM
New in the Gallery:
SE cable question
Popular Topics(Views)
239,164 Are you busy
174,549 Re: Forum
166,985 Need opinion
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 41 guests, and 9 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#90901 - 12/17/04 11:03 AM High Voltage ductbank Derating  
Yoopersup  Offline
Member
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 822
Michigan
13800 & 4160 in duck bank over 3 circuits Detail 3 in code required for conductor rateings (310.61)Table 310.77 If 6-350 mcm wires in same conduit rating them dn an additional percentage 310.15(b)(2)(a)4-6 80%.
thus use table 310.77 Detail 3 then an additional derateing for 6 current carrying conductors in conduit.


350mcm 90c =315x2=630x80percent=504 amps
So parallel 350 in a single conduit with 4 other hv circuits in the ductbank .Rateing of conductors = 504 amps

Remember this is 4160 volts


2017 / 2014 NEC & Related Books and Study Guides

#90902 - 12/17/04 02:51 PM Re: High Voltage ductbank Derating  
Bob  Offline
Member
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 182
Mobile, AL, USA
Table 310.15B is for tables 310.16 thru 310.19. Why would you want to install these
higher voltage cables in the same duct?


#90903 - 12/17/04 05:10 PM Re: High Voltage ductbank Derating  
Yoopersup  Offline
Member
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 822
Michigan
Bob

The cables in same duct are single conductors 4160 350 mcm x 6 plus ground. Legal and designed that way not by me but by the eng. I just feel if you should derate for amount of circuits in the duct per details in code and if you put 6 current carring condutors in one pipe derateing must also apply.They are parallel conductors going to the same overcurrent device.


#90904 - 12/17/04 08:20 PM Re: High Voltage ductbank Derating  
Bob  Offline
Member
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 182
Mobile, AL, USA
I agree with your concern. I could not find any derating info for the hi voltage cable. Suggest you contact Okonite at their site
Okonite.com. Just for information what size is the cable and overcurrent device?


#90905 - 12/20/04 04:28 PM Re: High Voltage ductbank Derating  
Yoopersup  Offline
Member
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 822
Michigan
Cable 2 sets 350 mcm
fusing per 450.3(A) transformer
Wire 240.100 & 240.101 a
By code can be 300% on primary (breaker)600%
Fuse if meets both code sections.


#90906 - 12/21/04 05:37 PM Re: High Voltage ductbank Derating  
Bob  Offline
Member
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 182
Mobile, AL, USA
In your other post you said the transformer was rated at 1935 kva at 4.16 kv. Thats about 277 amps primary. One ckt of #350 cable is rated in duct at about 385 amps in table B310.77. Since you have 2 circuits of #350, even if you derate 50%, you should have adequate capacity for the transformer.


#90907 - 12/22/04 09:08 AM Re: High Voltage ductbank Derating  
Yoopersup  Offline
Member
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 822
Michigan
Read my ist post for conductor rateings . Detail 3 90% rateing 315 not 385 amps on the wire . Also the derateing was my interest as I know full load current of the Transformer and even with voltage drop I feel the wire is oversized for the projected use.(remember Over 3 circuits ductbank detail 3 not detail 1(310.77).


#90908 - 12/22/04 07:58 PM Re: High Voltage ductbank Derating  
mustangelectric  Offline
Member
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 494
Bentonville, AR
Hi,
Read 310.4, a parallel ckt is considered a single conductor so 310.16 tables apply.

You did not mention what the insulation rating is?

Where you have more than three Conductors carrying current they must be derated whether in parallel or not to prevent overheating. Except the neutral..310.15(b)(4)..

-regards

greg


[This message has been edited by mustangelectric (edited 12-22-2004).]


Electricity has no respect for ignorance!

#90909 - 12/22/04 09:50 PM Re: High Voltage ductbank Derating  
Yoopersup  Offline
Member
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 822
Michigan
310.16 tables (0-2000volts)
310.15 Ampacties for conductors rated 0-2000 volts.
This is 4160 -13800 volts . read ist post I put up for temp rateings and derateing.

310.4 last sentence (conductors in parrallel shall comply with the provisions310.15 (b)(2)(a)
But again 310.15 Ampacities for CONDUCTORS Rated 0-2000 volts!
I think derateing of HV conductors should apply to this section but only 310.77 really deals with them directly.
as far as Insulation 100% or 133% read notes bottom of table 310.64
328.80 Ampacitys of MV cable Shall be determined by 310.60 ( which I referenced in orginal post)



Member Spotlight
Grover
Grover
Sebago, ME, USA
Posts: 109
Joined: January 2005
Show All Member Profiles 
Featured:

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

Shout Box
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.016s Queries: 14 (0.004s) Memory: 0.7998 MB (Peak: 0.9665 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-07-20 16:48:06 UTC