The humble pie post a few posts back got me thinking along a different line... what sort of hazing and abuse did you have to put up with from those above you in age or experience while you were coming up in the trade? In hindsight was it a good thing or bad? Anyone think there might be a correlation between declining interest in the trades overall with the kinda bullsh*t that the young and up-and-coming in the trades are required to submit to as an accepted matter of course, and "just take it", as delivered by the hands of those above them in years and experience?
Or, maybe the trades are just one of the few industries where different age groups mix together (one doesnt find many 20ish types who are CEO's or senior members of large corporations.. mostly they are peers- all 60ish old men who more or less have most things in common) Maybe it is the wide spread of ages/ experience you find in the trades, having to work side by side that accounts for some of the hard-ass, sometimes demeaning and surly culture and roughneck style of passing along knowledge acquired through years of hard experience to the younger set. It seems to be deeply ingrained in all the trades. I don't mean to be a whiner, I am just curious how others might see it..
My first big project as an apprentice was salted by union labor. One individual (foreman) took all my tool that were not Klien and threw them over the back fence into a canal. I then kicked his @$$, got fired and wound up with a better job. I'd bet he never touched anyone's tools after that.
BTW I am not anti-union. If it was stronger in our area I'd probably be in it.
Re: Coming up in the trades...#50897 04/14/0509:09 PM04/14/0509:09 PM
I picked up the Trade in the Mother of all hazing associated organizations, the Marine Corps, and there is no way I could legally get away with half of the stuff I put up with, or morally would I think of doing so.
For instance: Pull up ground rods, to make sure its all there. Then put them back down. Push-ups for every degree off on bends. "Straighting" un-used bends. End-less inventories, and inspections. Memorizing the complete operational describtions, and schematics for entire generators.
Someone gave me the line strecher gig once, and I came back with one... I came back with a line grip, and a come-along. It STREACHED WIRE! (It also went from #8 - #10 solid in the prosess.
And I almost fell for this once... I was asked to get a (Here write this down) I-D-10-T, from the tool shed.
Mark Heller "Well - I oughta....." -Jackie Gleason
Re: Coming up in the trades...#50898 04/15/0505:09 AM04/15/0505:09 AM
Although we didn't have the physical punishment you guys go through, we had the head games that mentally frustrated you.
The funniest, for all you out there to enjoy, was the one day, and I mean all day, of getting in bed, and getting out of bed, in 30 seconds.
This entails the whole flight "group of trainees" getting tucked in bed, and then when the drill instructor announces wake-up, the whole flight has to get up, get dressed in your fatigues, and run downstairs to get in formation. There was about 40 guys to a flight. All that in 30 seconds. If you didn't make it, it was upstairs to make your beds by military standards, inspections, get back into bed, and wait for the signal.
This may not seem like much, but after 8 or 10 hours of this, you want to kill the slow guys.
Re: Coming up in the trades...#50900 04/15/0506:14 AM04/15/0506:14 AM
How about working on the 15th floor and sending the new guy down to the basement to find the u-bulb bender. Hey, how do you think we bend those 4 ft flouresents bulbs. I always got a chuckle out of it when I heard some poor kid asking where he can find the u-bulb bender.
Re: Coming up in the trades...#50901 04/15/0507:13 AM04/15/0507:13 AM
When I started in the late '70s the company I worked for had the tradition of giving all green helpers "greenies" a pink belly . When my turn came I gave them such a hard time it took about 8 of them to hold me down, once they caught me, and it did not last long as I put up such a struggle. Looking back it seems that it was a "right of passage" and laugh every time I think of the fight I put up. I don't think this kind of thing would happen much these days. I always liked the idea of somehow being accepted by my coworkers sort of being part of the club. Not sure pink bellies are the way to do this though.
Re: Coming up in the trades...#50902 04/15/0512:33 PM04/15/0512:33 PM
Mostly as a young 'sprog' at work in my teens I remember those stupid "long weight" jokes (or worse, like a handfull of moly-grease shoved down your shorts, or 'engineers' blue' on your lathe- controls), so beloved by the older workers. One that sticks in my mind- in my 3rd or 4th year they started a new apprentice- this boy was 15, a true 'cockney' from that small area close to Bow in East London. He was sent to the local Engineers store early one morning to buy a "new bubble for a spirit-level". He returned very late afternoon, within minutes of clocking-off time. The Foreman went ape. "Where the bleedin' 'ell you bin all day?!" The little 'cockney-sparrer' then reeled off an enormous list of all the shops he'd been to searching for the elusive bubble. (Actually, he'd been to an all-day cartoon cinema, the crafty sod.) The biter got bit! Alan
Wood work but can't!
Re: Coming up in the trades...#50903 04/15/0502:47 PM04/15/0502:47 PM
I have been quilty of "hazing"...and will continue to be "guilty" - the degree of haze depends on the individual's own personality, or lack thereof.
Some of the easy favorites are sending the newb for: - a "bucket of steam"..helps if the pipe fitters are the same job; they will "assist" by sending the newb all over the bowels of the property
- A "henway" (actually a hen "WEIGH")...the oldtimers in the tool/material crib get special pleasure from this... Newb: What's a henway? Oldtimer: A hen weigh? Newb: yeah Oldtimer: I dunno..3 - 5 pounds
- A sealtight coupling....one newb was ping-ponged for quite awhile on this; Crew: we need a 4: sealtight coupling Newb: Ok Newb walks 1/2 mile to material lock up Newb: I need a 4" sealtight coupling Material man: You want that set-screw or threaded Newb: lemme check Newb walks a 1/2 mile back to crew Newb: Setscrew or threaded Crew: Set screw Newb walks 1/2 mile back to material lock-up newb: they said set screw Material man:..sorry only threaded..you better find out if that's ok...it's kind of heavy to carry back and forth ..and so on
Needless to say, the owner was amused by the shenanigans.
- using a roll of duct tape to completey wrap up someone's tool belt AND tools
- shooting(Hilti DX) a lunch box to the deck
Far too many to list...
~~ CELTIC ~~ ...-= NJ =-...
Re: Coming up in the trades...#50904 04/15/0507:02 PM04/15/0507:02 PM
There is no hazing treatment that can compare to becoming a "Shellback"! BAR NONE! For those who have done it, may never be the same. For those who were never Marines, Sailors, or in any other ship borne service. It goes like this........ All who have not already "Shellbacked", "pollies" get to dress like women, or what-ever you get forced to wear if the proper clothing is unavailable, and crawl through the worst slop available on-board as you cross the equator. People have saved stuff up for the occassion. Its not nice! And that is only part of the initation.... Its a 24 hour affair led by Captain Nemo. If you get chosen for the bilge tank races, remember, everyones a winner, cuase youll keep doing it until you win. Even if you didn't beat all 30 or so people in the 30 or so races before, you will win when theres no one left to beat. And if you do shellback, make sure that corner gets torn of the page in you record, or you will do it again!
Mark Heller "Well - I oughta....." -Jackie Gleason