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#44388 - 11/03/04 08:43 AM I screwed up again  
Big A  Offline
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 46
Lynchburg, VA
Hey All,
Once again I have a homeowner trying to screw me out of some money. This is a job for a "friend" so we all no how that goes. Like an idiot I didn't get a contract and the verble agreement was shady at best. When I gave the homeowner the finished bill she said, "I'm not paying that...It's way to high for what you did."

What I did was to install 7 second floor receptacles on two new 20a circuits. Plaster walls so I cut the new boxes into the base boards and pulled the circuits down from the attic. All is in wall and concealed. My outrageous price?...$120 per.

Outside of not getting them to sign a contract, I'm I way off base here?

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#44389 - 11/03/04 09:57 AM Re: I screwed up again  
Trumpy  Offline

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,222
SI,New Zealand
Big A,
How long did it take for the install?.
Personally, I'd charge a bit more than $120 per outlet!.
I'd be looking for the advice of LK here!.
Where are ya Les?. [Linked Image]

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#44390 - 11/03/04 10:12 AM Re: I screwed up again  
Electricmanscott  Offline
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,457
Holden, MA USA
Tough to say without knowing all the circumstances of the job but sounds very reasonable to me.

#44391 - 11/03/04 12:12 PM Re: I screwed up again  
George  Offline
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 375
I think that $120/outlet would make most people reconsider.

I think your friend would have liked an opportunity to reconsider.

If you want to keep the friend as a friend ask them to pay what they think the work is worth.

#44392 - 11/03/04 01:32 PM Re: I screwed up again  
goodwill  Offline
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 54
Madison, WI, USA
I have to agree with George....if this is a "friend", it probably would've been better to just say, "hey, I'll do this for you, but it's gonna be T&M. my rate is $XX per hour, and I'll work as efficiently as I can, but with this type of work, if I run into problems, it could take a LOT longer."
no offense, but $840 for 7 outlets for a "friend" seems a little steep. If they agree to the T&M, you're at least getting your hourly rate and materials. Maybe you can still figure it out that way for them, and resubmit a new bill to them as a gesture....assuming T&M ends up less? :-)

#44393 - 11/03/04 02:03 PM Re: I screwed up again  
Big A  Offline
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 46
Lynchburg, VA
Just to clarify. I'm doing the work for the friends of a friend. I tried to bid T&M but they didn't want to go that route. I have about 15 hours into this and $70 material at cost. At $50 an hour plus $90 for material I came to a total of $840. I guess I could knock $50 bucks off to keep the peace. I also did a service change and 11 first floor outlets and she didn't have a problem with what I charged there. ($1,100 for 200a service change and 100 per for receptacles) I'll let y'all know how this comes out.

Although I do this part time, I am fully licensed, bonded and insured.

#44394 - 11/03/04 03:11 PM Re: I screwed up again  
ElectricAL  Offline
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 597
Minneapolis, MN USA
Big A,

An awful lot has to do with what local labor bill-out rates are. In my area it's $90 to $120 per hour.

Your customer, in my opinion, is getting a very fair deal.

My bread and butter is work in existing dwellings. 15 hours feels reasonable. From your description, I'll bet there was one overloaded circuit covering the second floor and now there are three distributed circuits, and grounding on top of that. Your work will have modernized, significantly, the second floor.

Regardless of what you get paid, the customer gets a permanent increase in the value of their property, and an electrical system that is more useful.

Al Hildenbrand

#44395 - 11/03/04 03:30 PM Re: I screwed up again  
goodwill  Offline
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 54
Madison, WI, USA
Big A,
with your clarification and ElecticAl's reasoning, I see you're right in the ballpark.

#44396 - 11/03/04 05:50 PM Re: I screwed up again  
Dave55  Offline
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 697
Crystal Lake, Illinois, USA
Baseboard outlets are a Pain-In-The-Butt!!!

Definitely time consuming over cutting a hole in drywall with a drywall knife. Was the attic cramped & nasty?

I think your price is very fair, but you didn't cover your butt, so it's time to negotiate & since you're done you don't have much negotiating power.

Put it in writing, ESPECIALLY with friends or relatives.


#44397 - 11/03/04 06:39 PM Re: I screwed up again  
mustangelectric  Offline
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 494
Bentonville, AR
Do what I do when this happens..give them a "NEW CUSTOMER" discount...say $20 off each..

That may help.

But next time get a deposit and a signed proposal!

part time or not.



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